Posted on May 6, 2014
Should veteran status be reserved for those who have deployed?
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This one has come up a lot in conversations with my peers and Soldiers: Should you be allowed to claim veterans status if you have never deployed?
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
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It does not matter if deployed or not deployed. No one forced you to put your right hand up and practically give your life for your country if need be. You earned the status of veteran. Reserve, guard, active. All one family. Be proud my brothers and sisters.
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So tired of this "distinction" bullshit ref whose a veteran vs combat veteran vs in-country vs out of country and on and on and on. We already have ways of distinguishing who has seen the elephant like those who earned the CIB, CMB, etc. But if it weren't for the multitude of MOS/AFSC's all doing their jobs in other capacities, the guys on the line wouldn't be there. If it wasn't for your DI/TI you wouldn't be trained. If it weren't for the guys in supply you would be facing the enemy in your civilian clothes and throwing rocks at them. If it weren't for medical personnel in the rear you would bleed out in the field when wounded. If it weren't for the the countless aircraft mechanics sitting on aircraft carriers, AF bases in places like Diego Garcia, etc there would be no planes ready and thus no CAS when needed. I can go on, and on, and on. The bottom line is everyone has their job, they all contribute to the mission, and they all defend the United States in some manner or form.That has existed in every conflict we have ever been in and only since Nam have we been playing this ridiculous game. Stop the division!
What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged.
Almost all the jobs in the military have direct civilian counterparts. All jobs offer leadership skills needed every day in the civilian world. About 80 percent of the jobs in the military are non-combat occupations.
Obviously, not everyone in the military can serve in combat. Of those who are in a combat zone, only about 1-2% actually fire a weapon at an enemy. In the US today, of the 21 million qualified veterans, probably only about 2 million are combat veterans.
Not every one of us who serve can serve in combat…that makes us no less a Veteran.
Almost all the jobs in the military have direct civilian counterparts. All jobs offer leadership skills needed every day in the civilian world. About 80 percent of the jobs in the military are non-combat occupations.
Obviously, not everyone in the military can serve in combat. Of those who are in a combat zone, only about 1-2% actually fire a weapon at an enemy. In the US today, of the 21 million qualified veterans, probably only about 2 million are combat veterans.
Not every one of us who serve can serve in combat…that makes us no less a Veteran.
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SSgt Sandy Hislop
Right on!!! Merry Christmas from an Air Force corpsman to a Navy corpsman. “I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: 'I served in the United States Navy.” –John F. Kennedy
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Look, it's not the fault of the Soldier for not deploying in most cases. What matters is the quality of work performed while serving. I have not deployed but I am not going to walk around feeling like I am incomplete because of it. Hats off to those who did deploy though. If ever given the opportunity, I'll honorably execute and deploy as well!
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You aren't Airborne if you didn't jump, You aren't a Combat Vet unless you were in combat. So if you want to be a killer, go kill something
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Nope...serving is serving....deployed or in the rear. You served and gave up your rights as a civilian.
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As a retired navy veteran PO1 Nagel is VERY correct! Once you signed your contract you were subject to "deployment" anywhere anytime. Lets take the current situation with Hurricane Harvey. Would this not constitute a "deployment" to help our fellow citizens. It is not in a "war zone"; however, for those who have never functioned in disaster like I have such scenarios are a "type of war zone". Every deployment combat or humanitarian has hazards and military people are trained to be prepared to deliver the statement mission - what ever it is!
Those who are attempting to 'split hairs' are looking to create problems where NONE exist!
Attempting to cause division within military ranks with such a discussion is disloyal at best and dishonorable at worst!!! Are people saying that because someone was not deployed that are not a veteran?
So, are people also saying saying that medics and corpsman who did not deploy, but who were stateside taking career of the wounds warriors of their fellow warriors who did "deploy" are unworthy of the title - veteran!!! Are you kidding? Medics and corpsman helping to treat the obvious and hidden wounds of war are heroic as well. How dare people disrespect people whose job it is to heal in or outside a combat zone. Those who use the word deployed in one sense need to understand what the word "deployment" means in each of the services. As long as your military service was HONORABLE, I consider you a veteran, regardless if you were deployed or not!
FYI, as of the 2015 US Census data those who are considered Between Major War Periods number ~ 3,124,834. Are these brave men and women unworthy of the title - veteran. They are VERY entitled!!!
Those who are attempting to 'split hairs' are looking to create problems where NONE exist!
Attempting to cause division within military ranks with such a discussion is disloyal at best and dishonorable at worst!!! Are people saying that because someone was not deployed that are not a veteran?
So, are people also saying saying that medics and corpsman who did not deploy, but who were stateside taking career of the wounds warriors of their fellow warriors who did "deploy" are unworthy of the title - veteran!!! Are you kidding? Medics and corpsman helping to treat the obvious and hidden wounds of war are heroic as well. How dare people disrespect people whose job it is to heal in or outside a combat zone. Those who use the word deployed in one sense need to understand what the word "deployment" means in each of the services. As long as your military service was HONORABLE, I consider you a veteran, regardless if you were deployed or not!
FYI, as of the 2015 US Census data those who are considered Between Major War Periods number ~ 3,124,834. Are these brave men and women unworthy of the title - veteran. They are VERY entitled!!!
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Usually I would stay away from a question like this but I just couldn't resist. Once you join, go through basic, AIT, and are deploy-able, you are still giving up your civilian freedom to protect freedom. My service connected injuries were sustained outside of combat. During my time being assigned to Berlin before the wall came down, we were in danger of being targets by the RAF and the Skinheads just for being American soldiers. many of my comrades were stabbed or blown up there from these groups of anti-western culture persons. I can not speak for all armed forces, but I know that an army artillery unit stationed in Germany trains hard, and when you run on cobble-stone streets with jump boots and 80 pound rucks four days a week, it can take a heavy toll on your body. In my opinion, anybody that successfully completes their initial training, and is trained to be combat ready, has earned the status of veteran and all the honors that that implies.
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A Veteran is supposed to be anyone who served Honorably and to me that means they deserve recognition and the benefits of the VA, there are already different types of Veterans, service connected disabled, combat veterans, or veterans from this war or some other one. The division is not intended to help but to play one type service against another to avoid paying back for the selfless job of service. They already cheat people out of combat status, I feel if you're put in life endangering areas where you are a wartime target, in a declared war or not, you are still in combat. Military and Congressional head games like divide and conquer, they use it against everyone friend or foe.
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Sure, call yourself a veteran, but there needs to be a stark distinction between what it means to be a veteran and what it means to be a combat veteran.
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SFC William Farrell
There is no difference SFC (Join to see) . A veteran is a veteran, regardless of where he/she served. I don't consider myself any better than any other veteran because I served my year in Vietnam. While I am proud of my Vietnam time, I am just as equally proud of my other Army time, all that time made me a "proud" veteran if you insist on adding an adjective to veteran.
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