Posted on Feb 17, 2017
Similar to the E-2 question, how would you react to a young 2LT who is being unprofessional with a strong sense of entitlement?
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Here's the background. You are an experienced Soldier. You walk in to the commissary to see a young 2LT shopping with a headset on. You professionally and politely get the 2LT’s attention and address the deficiency. They blatantly are rude, dismiss your comment, and tell you that those rules do not apply to him as an officer. Whether you are an Officer or Enlisted, how do you react?
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I worked with a unit at Camp Pendleton in 1969 who's primary function was training brand new Second Lts to be platoon commanders. We had an over abundance of brand new officers, some of whom felt they were entitled to respect without earning it. Two instances come to mind from those days. One involved a young butter-bar who turned and chewed me out in his best imitation of a Drill Instructor for failure to salute a "Superior officer." When I pointed out that he was displaying no rank insignia (We wore all rank on collars or shoulders in those days and he had neglected to pin his bars on the epaulets of his field jacket). He pulled open his collar and displayed the bars on his blouse collars with a huff and an ugly stare. I snapped to attention, offered a crisp salute and a "Good morning sir!" then turned and continued on my way.
The other was in the company of a Master Sargent with a detail that consisted of a half dozen Marines all (including the Master Sargent) with our arms completely full of boxes of supplies we were moving up to the headquarters building. As we passed a spanking new 2nd Lt. the Master Sargent said "Good Evening Sir!". The kid commenced to chewing us all out for not offering the proper salute. Ok, you have to know where this was going. Master Sargent set his boxes on the ground and I'll never forget the first words out of his mouth: "Boy, I was in Green when you were in diapers!" and he commenced to giving a lecture on proper military etiquette, including chapter and paragraph, which he concluded with a crisp Marine salute, picked up his boxes and led us off to our destination.
While it is true that we respect the rank, not the man, much better leaders are the ones who demand respect through their actions and treatment of the ranks, and not by simply putting on the uniform.
The other was in the company of a Master Sargent with a detail that consisted of a half dozen Marines all (including the Master Sargent) with our arms completely full of boxes of supplies we were moving up to the headquarters building. As we passed a spanking new 2nd Lt. the Master Sargent said "Good Evening Sir!". The kid commenced to chewing us all out for not offering the proper salute. Ok, you have to know where this was going. Master Sargent set his boxes on the ground and I'll never forget the first words out of his mouth: "Boy, I was in Green when you were in diapers!" and he commenced to giving a lecture on proper military etiquette, including chapter and paragraph, which he concluded with a crisp Marine salute, picked up his boxes and led us off to our destination.
While it is true that we respect the rank, not the man, much better leaders are the ones who demand respect through their actions and treatment of the ranks, and not by simply putting on the uniform.
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You should only write checks that your ass can cash. As a 1SG I can cash a pretty big check. I would make sure he corrected himself before I left.
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MSgt John McGowan
1SGT. I know a 1SGt in the Army and One in the AF is different. The AF is a position in a Sqd. But as a E7 1SGT Ihad some pretty big checks to cash. All that will happen when you are a Branch Chief also. As a general rule, you don't mess with the First Sergeant.
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
Sometimes a First SGT's big check bounces like a rubber ball. I saw that happen several times while I was on active duty as well as other Senior NCOs who thought their crap did not stink like the CMSGT at Eglin AFB who wrote me up for not cutting the grass at my quarters. Sent a letter to my squadron problem was I was moving in to my quarters the day of the write up and it was pouring down rain. His problem was my O-6 33TCW/RM did not appreciate his letter being sent down.
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I saw a Lt. show disrespect to an old Vietnam GySgt. Big mistake. I was looking for a place to hide. Then, I heard the GySgt voice. "Cpl Morris?" Yes GySgt. "Go get that 2.5 ton and meet me at the back of the chow hall." I GySgt!
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Cpl Mark A. Morris
MSG Michael McEleney - I wonder if the Lt had enough honor to go say please forgive my young stupid self?
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SrA Renee Fernandez
Cpl Jim Gilstrap Was about to ask what CMH was then slapped myself and now to those who didn’t have to think about it.
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MAJ Shane Stanphill
Cpl Jim Gilstrap It’s not a CMH. It’s Medal of Honor not Congressional Medal of Honor. Thank you for your story though.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
MAJ Shane Stanphill I do not know for sure Major. When I met COL, USMCR, retired, Mitch Paige he presented me with his ‘Card’. It read CMH and I said thank you Sir!
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"Well, sergeant, first of all I have a bachelor's degree and..." "Well, Sir I have a Master's degree". I hard that one before.
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LTC Trent Klug
If that gets pulled out, I pull out the "And I got a Ph.d...". Public High School diploma, but he/she don't know that.
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LTC (Join to see)
LTC Trent Klug - Ph.d can also be a post hole digger, but that 2LT doesn't need to know that, either.
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LTC John Wilson
I served in HHC, First Army, where just about everyone that got out of going to Vietnam has a Doctorate, a Masters, and a four year degree. Here I was a Vietnam veteran, Captain, with just a H.S. GED. I graduated OCS and became a Green Beret months later. the paper is for those with hot air in their lungs and no Idea of leadership within the ranks. I will take the experience enlisted and NCO, over any degrees others may have.
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Only had an issue with one young 2nd Lt. we had a little heart to heart talk, he saw things in a different light afterwards.
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I assume he's in uniform. You don't talk to him in the first place. Go back to work and report the observation to the Sargeant Major/First Sargeant.
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A1C John Weiss
Notice that I never said " talk" to him I said correct him. And after considering the question if I was in uniform and had my S.P. badge on yes I would probably say something about the situation, but only in my official capacity as a S.P.
I personally take offense to the "shit bag " reference. SSG Brad Sanders there is no need for you to refer to someone in that manner.
I personally take offense to the "shit bag " reference. SSG Brad Sanders there is no need for you to refer to someone in that manner.
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SSG Curtis Vaughn
Sir, me being a Retired NCO it's our job to tactfully and respectfully to make on the spot corrections wither Senior or Junior.
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MSgt Kerry Lundy
Lt Col Jim Coe - In my last assignment before I retired we got new 2Lt and we were all talking and just gave the Lt some pointers on what we were tasked to do. A fellow NCO told me I should not. The Lt really impressed me with his remark. He advised the young NCO he needed to learn every thing he could from me and all the senior NCOs in our division.
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SrA Jack Richi
Lt Col Jim Coe No disrespect Lt Col Coe so as you stated as enlisted we should not have spoke to him about the infraction and then report him. What good with that do? All we would know that he was a 2Lt and his name was "Smith". Isn't it all of our jobs to not to have someone embarrass our branch of service or the uniform we ware. What if this wasn't in the BX & it was off base. I don't know about you but I would want someone embarrassing my branch of service in anyway. Basically it's just let the them get away with being out of 3510 (or whatever it is now or in other branches) because they out rank you. One last thing so if an officers about to be hit by a car we shouldn't tell him because he out ranks me and I shouldn't talk to him and correct his mistake.
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Been there and done that. "Excuse me sir my I remind you that...". I was told it was none of my business. Being a Senior Chief Petty Officer I asked the "gentleman" very quietly if he would like to discuss the matter in a more private setting. He was fabigasted and asked why. Note, we were both in uniform at a Exchange mall. I put my hand on his shoulder and quietly whispered that i would glady accompany him to the Command Duty Officer and there he could explain why he was behaving in a blatant manner that was prejudicial to good conduct and order in the UNited States Navy. He blinked and ask if I could do such a thing since I was only a senior chief and he was a Ensign. I assured the clown I could and would and if he thought I was only a senior chief and he did not have to listen, OK. Since he was a student and recent graduate of OCS. I gently said I would see him at his CO's office tomorrow at 09830. He stopped what he was doing and walked away. Next morning he was marched into his CO's office at 0830 and there his CO (an 06) and I were sitting enjoying a cup of coffee. Needless to say he learned very quickly the Navy adage "listen to the chief". I anly hope he really learned from the incident. Maybe the tears he shed helped. SCPO(SW) USN Ret.
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One thing to keep in mind, officers are only as good as the senior NCOs who trained them as 2LT or 1LTs. Being a senior NCO is more than being a mentor to your suboridnate. It’s being a mentor to junior officers. A senior NCO will find a solution to fix the situation. It’s what they do. We have to bring these future leaders up correctly. This young officer could be your future brigade commander. His effectiveness could stem from a simple on the spot correction about headphones in uniform.
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