Posted on Jul 1, 2014
SSG Selwyn Bodley
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I'm hearing/reading people saying "I'm old school, therefore..." So out of curiosity's sake, where is that ever-moving line?
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PO3 Vince Gibson
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If you served on a ship with wooden decks, you are old school.
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PO3 Vince Gibson
PO3 Vince Gibson
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No, USS Prairie AD15, 1977. She had a wooden main deck.
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SCPO William Akin
SCPO William Akin
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AD's and AS's are not ships, they are buildings..
MSO's and MSC"s (long gone) were built almost entirely of wood, hence the term 'wooden ships and iron men' for Minesweep Sailors
Remember, Where the fleet goes, we've been..
Fair Winds to you Shipmate!!
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PO2 Joan MacNeill
PO2 Joan MacNeill
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Fleet boats had teak decks. Minesweepers were all wood.
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Cpl Len Rybicki
Cpl Len Rybicki
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USS Newport News CA-148. Decommissioned in 1975
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SFC Gordon Robertson
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First issue weapon was M1 Garand in OKARNG in 1969. Our crew served weapons were .30 air-cooled MG and 3.5" rocket launchers (bazookas). We drove M38 1/4 ton (Korean War era), 3/4 ton, and 2 1/2 ton trucks. Black spit shined Corcoran jump.boots. SFC OKARNG 1969-1979.
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SFC Richard Bennett
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I had senior NCOs that were WW2 and Korea Veterans. When I joined My Dad's Post he introduced me to a member he said he was a Veteran of the Spanish American War ! Dad had to be kidding me ! I have saluted Former POW s including a Battan Death March POW. I remember Water cooled Machine guns and fired them in training, qualifying with the 1903 Springfield, That is what we carry now. What a trip down memory lane ! The picture of the grave stone is from the time of the French and Indian Wars, We were not yet a Country.
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SSG William Jones
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SSG Selwyn Bodley MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca CPT Jacob Swartout COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC William Smith
I went through basic at Ft. Polk with an M-14. That's crowding the "old school A.O." danger close, wouldn't you say?
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SP5 Douglas Murphy
SP5 Douglas Murphy
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Basic, AIT, and first assignment with the 3AD carrying an M-14. Last real battle rifle.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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Issued an M1 Garand in 1960, and again in AIT in 60-61, and again in West Germany 1961, then an M1 Carbine, it wasn't until early 1964 that I saw an M14, was at Fort Benning 64-65, 11th Air Assault Division (Test), issued an XM16E1 Changed over to First Cavalry Division (Air Mobile) July 1965, loaded on a Troop ship August 1965 bound for the South Asia War Games in the Republic of South Vietnam. I think that about covers it.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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Oh and I celebrated my 21st Birthday in Nam getting shot at.
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Cpl Len Rybicki
Cpl Len Rybicki
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I qualified with an M-14. My 19th birthday was in Marine Corps boot camp at Parris Island and it was no party.
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SSG Michael Hartsfield
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If you ever had company or battalion-sized brawls on Ardennes...
If you ever jumped with an ACE harness...
If you ever participated in "Match of the Day..."
If you ever took another company's guidon and got praised from your Chain of Command...
Thunder Runs...
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MSG Sean Milhauser
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A good question, and you're right, it seems to be an ever-moving line. For example, soldiers that enlisted post 9/11 act like doing the mundane garrison activities such as post police call, gate guard, mowing details, working in the post gym, etc. are something new. They don't realize that's "old school"! Before the Army made a push to reduce "borrowed military manpower" by contracting those jobs, that is what soldiers did when they weren't training or in the field, NTC/JRTC, etc. Now deployments winding down and the DOD trying to save money by cutting back on contracted positions, Soldiers have to perform those tasks again.
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CPT Alan W.
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When I went to Jump School at Ft. Benning, we ran and did pt in combat boots. I feel that could be classified as "old school".
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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Jump School was not bad. We were young and in the best shape of our lives. However it was sort of embarrassing climbing down the tower. I was on a train that evening to Brooklyn Navel Yard and on the USS Geiger troop ship to Germany the next morning.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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When I went to basic training We ran, did PT everything in Combat boots, No way could We wear sneakers, We didn't even have them nor were We authorized to have them, they were civilian footwear ! OD, Olive drab fatigues, never did anything like jumps school anyway, ok I was a leg but why would anyone jump out of a perfectly good aircraft ?
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CPT Earl George
CPT Earl George
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When I went to Ft Benning in 1971, the CO of the Airborne Dept was the same Colonel that was in the movie The Green Berets during the jump school scene.
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SPC Eddie Espejo
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remembering when mre's came with a cigarette. that would be old school
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C-Rats, and that was a very long time ago.
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SPC Eddie Espejo
SPC Eddie Espejo
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roger that
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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C-rations had matches and a small pack of cigarettes. The Lucky Strike box was often green and when lit the cigarette would barely last it burned so fast. Always had a small pack of toilet paper. The peanut butter had to be stirred to get the oil into it.
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MSG John Wirts
MSG John Wirts
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When I got to Germany in 1962, we has WWII tall OD can C-Rats and each meal came with a 20 cigarette OD and Black pack of Lucky Strikes. Later the new C-Rats were fielded with short NATO Green cans and 5 pack of cigarettes which were not in military colors.
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SSgt Terry P.
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If you remember Ham and Lima Beans(called by a different and slightly vulgar name by most in the Marines) from C-Rations in Basic,you are definitely "Old School".
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SSgt Terry P.
SSgt Terry P.
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SSgt David Tedrow - That about sums it up. lol
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PO2 Ron Burling
PO2 Ron Burling
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SSgt Terry P. - I even had 782 gear, none of this LBE stuff!
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PO2 Ron Burling
PO2 Ron Burling
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But there is a quote I like, to wit:
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PO2 Ron Burling - this count?
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1SG David Lopez
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Edited 11 y ago
Back in the late 80's as a squad leader. I had a Joe spurt out "high stress sergeant". Of course my old school mentality did not understand this pukes cry for help. Another one of my squared away soldiers interpreted for this incident. In their basic training, if the Drill Sergeant stressed a basic trainee too much, the term taught to the basic trainees was "High Stress Drill Sergeant", and the DS would have to give them a few minutes of NO STRESS. Well now this Joe was in the real Army, Infantry unit. He got smoked (stressed) and physically disciplined for hours that day, and every opportunity I had to change this young man's attitude. I don't know if he ever stood in the Army, as I PCS'd shortly after that incident. Also I preferred a good PT smoke session vs. writing a soldier up. That was true discipline in my world. I figured why ruin a guys life by writing him bad reports. PT Smoke the crap out of him, he'll be in good shape and show love and respect for their future. As a disclaimer: I performed every exercise during every PT smoke session with every soldier, Amen.
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SSG Selwyn Bodley
SSG Selwyn Bodley
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I couldn't agree more!! As a young soldier, nothing woke me up more than a smoke session. And as an NCO, When dealing with the offense of a soldier, if it was so bad I would consider a negative counseling statement, but for me that was always last resort.
When I first got to Batt, I got my rear end smoked just for being a "cherry" and, while I know this isn't popular, I feel I was a better soldier because of it.

I know everything is going PC... I just have a hard time with it. Soldiering was always about mental and physical toughness.... If you can't handle the stress of a smoke session/ chewing... Then maybe you made a poor career choice... Just sayin. On a side note, I beleive a good NCO who cares about his troops knows the difference between abuse and a smoke session . Just my unpopular thoughts.
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