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Post Traumatic Stress is the body’s natural response to critical life incidents, affecting each of us to varying degrees and in different ways physically, emotionally, cognitively, and spiritually. Within the VA, PTS is generally ranked by severity somewhere between one and ten. Anyone who has survived a fire, flood, hurricane, tornado, shipwreck, rape, or any sort of life-threatening incident never forgets what happened. PTS is our reaction to traumatic or unpleasant incidents or chapters of our lives. Symptoms include nightmares, flashbacks, loss of sleep, irritability, short temperedness, loss of concentration, hostility, weight gain, loss of self-worth, anxiety, and survivor's guilt.
During the post-Vietnam War period when the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder replaced the old school WWI term “shell-shock” and the WWII term “battle-fatigue.” The VA tends to take a clinical approach to Post Traumatic Stress and continues to call it a disorder (PTSD). PTS is not a disorder in my opinion, but a natural response to trauma we experience. Most veterans agree that there is a negative connotation to calling this reaction a disorder - it suggests there is something wrong with them. Truthfully, what we are responding to is natural. Post Trauma Stress should be universally considered an injury (PTSI) rather than a disorder. Sometimes people never fully recover, but that doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with them. Just like any other injury, even if it’s not possible to get back to 100%, there are many methods to get people back to living a mostly normal life.
Although I’m a non-combat Vietnam era vet, I have many friends who saw combat in that war or are combat veterans of the conflicts in the Middle East. They all returned home wanting to put the experience behind them and, with only a few exceptions, most are not comfortable talking about their experiences. Many returned home with a newfound addiction to drugs and/or alcohol. Generally they received little help from anyone, including the VA.
Over the course of time, and many cups of coffee, a good friend of mine provided me some insight and understanding of PTSI, based on his own experience and what he has learned about himself as a Vietnam Army Combat Veteran. His wife encouraged him to write down his experiences while in Vietnam, and the result was a piece called, “Through My Eyes” chronicling his tour of duty in Vietnam 1968 - 1969. It was the beginning of his recovery process from PTSI. He has attended a number of Veterans’ Camp gatherings as both a participant and advisor. Though he still suffers from PTSI, Bob has learned coping mechanisms to deal with it, and over the past 45 years he has come a long way.
Through our discussions, I learned that many veterans didn’t realize what effect combat had on them until they returned home. It was at home that my friend began to realize that simply getting a good night’s sleep would be a blessing. His attitude and conversations had changed considerably after the war, along with his level of impatience. Most combat vets are hesitant to talk about what happened to them, or read war stories, or watch certain movies because they do not want to reignite memories.
I could never fully comprehend the anguish and fear my friend experienced as a combat Vietnam vet, but I can understand the flashbacks. My own experience with PTS is based on my 32-year marriage to a woman with PTS. Even after 50 years, she still struggles with memories of rape, a car accident, and the loss of our 8-year-old daughter. My friend told me that while he could not comprehend what we went through losing a child, he appreciated knowing how I dealt with it. Many of us agreed that we share a common healer in Jesus, even though most people at a Vet Camp would not appreciate a dialogue that included a lot of Jesus talk.
My friend also discovered that spouses of combat veterans can play an important role in successfully addressing PTS. At one family Vet Camp, he shared his experience speaking with just the spouses. He talked about the emotions, concerns, and fears that their partners would not share with them. They were very appreciative of his willingness to open up and give them a better understanding of the issues their loved ones may be dealing with.
Today we have many combat Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who struggle with similar flashbacks and stress-related issues when they return home and strive to melt back into civilian life. However, PTS also affects our men and women within our community support systems, such as police officers and firefighters, and is recognized as being a key factor in the health and stability of these organizations.
At home, and on any given day, at least 22 veterans take their own lives, typically due to PTS. However this past summer, the Department of Veterans Affairs indicated this number is now closer to 20 veterans committing suicide every day. I personally believe that the most recent statistics on these suicides likely do not consider vets suffering from PTS, who in the past overdosed on drugs or and/or alcohol. Though the exact figures are unknown, any number of military personnel taking their own lives is unacceptable, it is too many.
The universal goal among veterans advocacy groups is to dramatically reduce that number by working with our vets by giving them the knowledge, tools, and resources to understand what PTS is and how to cope with it. Veterans’ Camp, or veteran gatherings, have proven to be a successful means to begin a dialogue.
Nearly all vets with PTS have trust issues to varying degrees. Even amongst themselves, vets may not open up or even realize that their suffering can be helped. The purpose of Vet Camps is to provide a safe place where vets can meet other vets with PTS while learning how best to cope with it. At these camps, we talk about issues that cause them concern, such as a lack of support from the VA. Many others open up about the ugliness of war and the loss of their comrades and friends. Occasionally, discussions revolve around similar topics to what is discussed here on RallyPoint: what our government expects of our military, such as rules of engagement and intelligence failures, and the overall effectiveness of our armed forces.
If you or anyone you know may be suffering from PTS, just remember that it is not a disorder, but an injury, and there are thousands of vets like you who would love to help out.
During the post-Vietnam War period when the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder replaced the old school WWI term “shell-shock” and the WWII term “battle-fatigue.” The VA tends to take a clinical approach to Post Traumatic Stress and continues to call it a disorder (PTSD). PTS is not a disorder in my opinion, but a natural response to trauma we experience. Most veterans agree that there is a negative connotation to calling this reaction a disorder - it suggests there is something wrong with them. Truthfully, what we are responding to is natural. Post Trauma Stress should be universally considered an injury (PTSI) rather than a disorder. Sometimes people never fully recover, but that doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with them. Just like any other injury, even if it’s not possible to get back to 100%, there are many methods to get people back to living a mostly normal life.
Although I’m a non-combat Vietnam era vet, I have many friends who saw combat in that war or are combat veterans of the conflicts in the Middle East. They all returned home wanting to put the experience behind them and, with only a few exceptions, most are not comfortable talking about their experiences. Many returned home with a newfound addiction to drugs and/or alcohol. Generally they received little help from anyone, including the VA.
Over the course of time, and many cups of coffee, a good friend of mine provided me some insight and understanding of PTSI, based on his own experience and what he has learned about himself as a Vietnam Army Combat Veteran. His wife encouraged him to write down his experiences while in Vietnam, and the result was a piece called, “Through My Eyes” chronicling his tour of duty in Vietnam 1968 - 1969. It was the beginning of his recovery process from PTSI. He has attended a number of Veterans’ Camp gatherings as both a participant and advisor. Though he still suffers from PTSI, Bob has learned coping mechanisms to deal with it, and over the past 45 years he has come a long way.
Through our discussions, I learned that many veterans didn’t realize what effect combat had on them until they returned home. It was at home that my friend began to realize that simply getting a good night’s sleep would be a blessing. His attitude and conversations had changed considerably after the war, along with his level of impatience. Most combat vets are hesitant to talk about what happened to them, or read war stories, or watch certain movies because they do not want to reignite memories.
I could never fully comprehend the anguish and fear my friend experienced as a combat Vietnam vet, but I can understand the flashbacks. My own experience with PTS is based on my 32-year marriage to a woman with PTS. Even after 50 years, she still struggles with memories of rape, a car accident, and the loss of our 8-year-old daughter. My friend told me that while he could not comprehend what we went through losing a child, he appreciated knowing how I dealt with it. Many of us agreed that we share a common healer in Jesus, even though most people at a Vet Camp would not appreciate a dialogue that included a lot of Jesus talk.
My friend also discovered that spouses of combat veterans can play an important role in successfully addressing PTS. At one family Vet Camp, he shared his experience speaking with just the spouses. He talked about the emotions, concerns, and fears that their partners would not share with them. They were very appreciative of his willingness to open up and give them a better understanding of the issues their loved ones may be dealing with.
Today we have many combat Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who struggle with similar flashbacks and stress-related issues when they return home and strive to melt back into civilian life. However, PTS also affects our men and women within our community support systems, such as police officers and firefighters, and is recognized as being a key factor in the health and stability of these organizations.
At home, and on any given day, at least 22 veterans take their own lives, typically due to PTS. However this past summer, the Department of Veterans Affairs indicated this number is now closer to 20 veterans committing suicide every day. I personally believe that the most recent statistics on these suicides likely do not consider vets suffering from PTS, who in the past overdosed on drugs or and/or alcohol. Though the exact figures are unknown, any number of military personnel taking their own lives is unacceptable, it is too many.
The universal goal among veterans advocacy groups is to dramatically reduce that number by working with our vets by giving them the knowledge, tools, and resources to understand what PTS is and how to cope with it. Veterans’ Camp, or veteran gatherings, have proven to be a successful means to begin a dialogue.
Nearly all vets with PTS have trust issues to varying degrees. Even amongst themselves, vets may not open up or even realize that their suffering can be helped. The purpose of Vet Camps is to provide a safe place where vets can meet other vets with PTS while learning how best to cope with it. At these camps, we talk about issues that cause them concern, such as a lack of support from the VA. Many others open up about the ugliness of war and the loss of their comrades and friends. Occasionally, discussions revolve around similar topics to what is discussed here on RallyPoint: what our government expects of our military, such as rules of engagement and intelligence failures, and the overall effectiveness of our armed forces.
If you or anyone you know may be suffering from PTS, just remember that it is not a disorder, but an injury, and there are thousands of vets like you who would love to help out.
Posted 8 y ago
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RP Members and Connections - Great discussion and post on PTSD by PO2 Gerry Tandberg - Please pass this onto many of your connections here on RallyPoint.
CAPT Michael MoranPO3 Bob McCord CAPT John Fristachi SPC Kenneth OsborneSFC LaTonya Ramos, Human Resource(HRBP) | United States Army SFC (Retired)| Military Breastfeeding Advocate|Certified Just Culture ChampionPO3 Ron Hinton SPC Doug MessickSPC Scott MarcelleSPC Saundra Teater SSG Kevin Flike
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-i-learned-about-post-traumatic-stress
CAPT Michael MoranPO3 Bob McCord CAPT John Fristachi SPC Kenneth OsborneSFC LaTonya Ramos, Human Resource(HRBP) | United States Army SFC (Retired)| Military Breastfeeding Advocate|Certified Just Culture ChampionPO3 Ron Hinton SPC Doug MessickSPC Scott MarcelleSPC Saundra Teater SSG Kevin Flike
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-i-learned-about-post-traumatic-stress
What I Learned About Post Traumatic Stress | RallyPoint
Post Traumatic Stress is the body’s natural response to critical life incidents, affecting each of us to varying degrees and in different ways physically, emotionally, cognitively, and spiritually. Within the VA, PTS is generally ranked by severity somewhere between one and ten. Anyone who has survived a fire, flood, hurricane, tornado, shipwreck, rape, or any sort of life-threatening incident never forgets what happened. PTS is our reaction...
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SSG Edward Tilton
MSgt Victor Moss - It is a DISORDER, as in POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. If you can't work because you have a mental disorder that is where you are
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PVT Mark Brown
SSG Edward Tilton -
it has become common to drop the "disorder" and refer to it as post traumatic STRESS. Note: stress is the operative word rather than disorder.
it has become common to drop the "disorder" and refer to it as post traumatic STRESS. Note: stress is the operative word rather than disorder.
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SSG Edward Tilton
A disorder is a grade of condition. A few years ago someone wanted to reclassify in the DSM, PTSD as a psychosis. That would cause it to be treated as a serious condition.No one with Post Traumatic Stress Psychosis could have a gun and wouldn't be in the Military, has been around since before the Army would acknowledge PTSD. Originally,The Army rated me for a ""Anxiety Disorder"" but a well regarded university called it Combat Related Stress Disorder. So stop dropping the Disorder
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I've been coping for ten years now. When I returned from the desert in January 2008, I had no knowledge of PTSD. No one informed me at my debriefing of what I was going to expect when returning. It wasn't until about two years after I returned that my wife threatened to leave me if I didn't get help. So I went to the VA and got some help, some tools, and more knowledge of what to expect. I still have triggers, memories, a nightmare from time to time, but I live with them. I have somewhat adapted. When I first returned, I met an old Vietnam Vet and talked to him about the memories, and if they ever stop. He told me that they don't, that you have to learn to accept what you did, and get on with your life. This, I have tried to do, and I try every day. I cope, and I avoid my triggers as much as possible. I believe I can help others with the same issues, and will do so if asked.
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SSgt Ron Dexter
SFC (Join to see) Thank you for sharing. It is disheartening to read the Army did not properly make you aware of what could happen and what signs to look for. I hope you continue to learn new skills so you can live your best life possible! This I hope for you and all your combat Veteran brothers and sisters
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PO1 Bill O
The hardest part of this condition is that no one but you really knows what you feel, when you feel it, and how to avoid triggering its ugly memory! One day there will be a tested medical medicine or therapy to stop this disease. The problem is that man keeps searching, he does not include proven results because competition gets in the way, egos abound, and then the learnt concepts become overlooked because technology is passing them by. Man has already found the answer to this problem. Love each other, and stop warring!
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SFC Mike Terry
I was in Vietnam and my PTSD didn't really kick in till I was in my early sixties. The VA has helped a lot. just knowing what is wrong with you helps. So hang in their Sgt Hawk, cause it never completely goes away.
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AN Christopher Crayne
I did the TMS in Nevada. Trans Magnetic Stimulation. It consists of about 48 min. + - ,each person differs, of magnetic pulses like the MRI into a specific area of the brain that depression stores/exists. They pulse that area and watch your hand. When all the fingers stop jerking and only the thumb moves, they found the spot. They laser measure the spot for accurate placement for future visits.You take about 3,000 pulses in that session time . Your eyes and teeth rattle a bit. Tenderness to the head where pulsed. And that's one down and twenty nine more to go,daily, thirty days in a row. The results for myself although temporary, (around 4 months) improved my overall mood and lessened the depression. I found it a worthwhile experience.
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great post I have heard many other people say that PTSD is not a disease but in fact an injury, to the mind and psyche, I'm 50% through proper meds and counselling I can lead a some what normal life, but the fact is, its an injury just like my blown out knee, the injury still exists, the treatment is palliative at best
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MSG (Join to see)
MSgt Victor Moss - I totally agree we are guinea pigs to these people that have not been in our boots, experienced our traumas but they are the ones treating us, fortunately my current psych doc who seems to be more in tune with PTS, has gotten me on the correct drugs and dosages which have improved my overall life, and yes knowing your triggers and dealing with them is also important, as well as how to avoid those triggers, its a combination of medication and education and over all excepting the fact you are not the same person you were
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MSG (Join to see) - I'm not a psychiatrist nor a professional medical doctor, but I know personally what I've been through during my time in the Marine Corps. I've had physical injuries on top of head injuries. I've been with Artillery, Infantry, Signal Intelligence, Amtracs, Tanks, and Division and MEB Staff Officer. But I will never forget the times that I held a seriously wounded Marine, whether it be peacetime combat ops or the real deal. I somehow knew when I returned from any ops how I would react to my family. Especially after being in combat and not wanting my family to know what I went through. As everyone here mentioned we all can see the physical injuries and wounds, but not the serious ones and injuries that will affect you for life. I've been very blessed to come back a survivor but sometimes I wish I hadn't. I have been in counseling therapy with my psychiatrist since my last employment. That was 7 years ago. I deal with my nightmares by eating right, getting the right hours of sleep, and especially exercising. But my thoughts and Nightmares haven't gone away, but like many Marines who have been diagnosed with this injury, disease, disorder whatever you want to call or name it, it will always be a part of my life and my wife and son's. I'm just happy that they understand me and my difficulties that comes with the silent injuries that we all take for granted. I know this Marine will never take life for granted ever again. I'd rather be the same Marine that I was prior to my very first incident during an op in South Korea. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts and opinions. I know I can get through this obstacle one day at a time and hopefully you all will too! I've been diagnosed with this disorder or injury since 1992 unofficial, but officially since 2010. I'm still doing what I do everyday surviving like we all do.
Semper Fidelis, To all who gave their best
Semper Fidelis, To all who gave their best
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MSG (Join to see)
MSgt Terry Swift - very interesting, I've tried acupuncture, CBT, my meds well they work for now, my family bailed, could'nt deal with it anymore, even with my meds and CBT I still have the nightmares, but their effect on me are lessoned, i'm functional at work, I work out every day and eat well, I retired 3 years ago from the USAR, one last reminder to scratch from my thoughts, yes I miss it, but it needed to be done, as you said one day at a time that's all we can do
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CPO Bill Penrod
I am one of the lucky one from Vietnam because I've manage to put my PTSD asleep most of the time. It's there just dormat for now.....
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