Posted on Jan 17, 2018
Shannon Arroyo
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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No longer acceptable to knife hand people.
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COL Environmental Science and Engineering
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Couldn't stop laughing after reading your post.
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PO1 Chad Alcock
PO1 Chad Alcock
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Sometimes a throat punch would be appropriate.
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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Know how you feel Tom, when I look at people I imagine my form of attack, do I go for a throat punch or rip out an eyeball...the options are endless
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Capt Karlos Nordinsifeller
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I gotta agree with the SSGT.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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Definitely the people. There is a certain level of professionalism and work ethic that one becomes accustomed to in the military that just doesn't quite exist in the civilian world. In addition, although there may be repercussions for doing so, in the military one is able to voice opinions and different ways of doing things. Even a private can have an opinion on how to do something and, as long as it was voiced in the appropriate manner, the worst that will happen is your opinion is ignored. In the civilian world, your job is on the line if your personality doesn't jive with that of your superiors. It is interesting to think that you had far more freedom to exercise your ability to think and make a difference in how things are done in the military than you were on the outside. Many people don't think about it that way.
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Shannon Arroyo
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Though I have never served, you are 100% right with your statement. I hear about the repercussions in corporate America quite often from candidates and applicants that I speak with.
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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Ever think why that is Joe? Civilian’s and yes, it includes your boss feels intimidated by your persona and professionalism. They envy your service and accomplishments but you know what claws at them the most? It’s the close comradery shared by veterans. They have never or will they ever experience that Brotherhood. It’s something unique within the military, something that can’t be copied, but earned. I came across employers who were critical of veterans they say they can’t be controlled. When questioned in what form they wish to control these veterans the only answer they give is that they’ll over bearing and too damn suggestive. I ask them if they would rather hire your common, every day worker off the street who has no dedication other to themselves and lack the drive to follow through with things unlike the veteran who is highly dependable, trustworthy and more then capable of working alone, and the answer is always the same: They’d hire the veteran but it leaves a bad taste in their mouths. Now why is this? It’s the socialistic liberal mindset many employers have of veterans. My advice to you Joe, is be the man you know you are. Retain your morals, pride and ambition. Don’t settle for anything less. Be patient, eventually the world will begin opening doors to your expertise and ambitions. Seek and you will find. It’s a mind game.
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Christie S.
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I missed common sense and decency....
When you lived in base housing, you had a certain standard and expectation. God help you if you got called before the 1st Sgt. for not mowing your grass. Even as an officer he could still ream your ass (respectfully of course). But after getting out and going to work as an HOA property manager, the lengths you have to go to just to get someone to mow their grass (5 different letters over a 3 week period). And then when you finally, as a last resort, fine them... They show up at the office being extremely rude and threatening to my staff (usually a bunch of very young girls) and once even having a small weapon pulled on me, which just pissed me off. Took the ass by surprise and disarmed him then restrained him with an extension cord till the police showed up. But come on folks, how f'ing hard is it to mow your damn grass. You signed the HOA docs when you bought the house. Its not my fault you didn't read them. I really missed adults being adults, using common sense and not whiney little kids throwing temper tantrums. I did property management for 10 years and then finally had enough and quit. that was 8 years ago, I have since, gone back to school, started my own business using my military standards as a guide line and now have 7 very productive employees and a much happier life.
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CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern
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For me, it was having to decide what I was going to wear to work.
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I was about to post this same comment.
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CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern
CPO Robert (Mac) McGovern
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Captain, I think, for most of us, this was a major transitional concern.
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Shannon Arroyo
Shannon Arroyo
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That is very interesting... that would be the last thing I would've ever thought. Thank you for sharing!
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Maj Robert Thornton
Maj Robert Thornton
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I just found this CPO McGovern, it was the hardest for me as well. In the Air Force I wore Blues Mon-Thur, Friday's the BDU's. Once at work into PJ's (scrubs). Once I retired I actually had to think of what to wear, what went with what, etc.
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What is the hardest part about transitioning from the military to a civilian career?
CW3 Kevin Storm
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Learning your military career may not be as impressive to your civilian HR department. Learn to morph your resume to the position you want. Your rank and duties are seldom understood, be humble be willing to accept something at a lower grade in that is where you want to work.
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Shannon Arroyo
Shannon Arroyo
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I would also recommend finding a mentor within the company you trying to get into. Sometimes I have found that there are still good people out there :)
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SSG Squad Leader
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Slower pace...I worked retail for 2 years and I absolutely hated life...was always drinking and going out..no purpose. Snapped out of it and went into Law Enforcement.
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
PFC Donnie Harold Harris
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Sorry about that.
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Shannon Arroyo
Shannon Arroyo
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That is great you turned your life around. I am glad you found a position you enjoy :)
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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Isiah, I was fortunate enough when I retired to have networked for job opportunities prior to leaving military life, and exactly seven days from the day I retired, I was accepted by the state law enforcement academy, attended and graduated. I worked as State Police for twenty-four years until I recently retired from there and wouldn’t have it any other way. You have the mentality and drive to move forward, do so. Stay focused and eventually everything else will fall into place. Law Enforcement isn’t for everyone, but for veterans it allows us to remain comfortable around an environment we are accustomed too.
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
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Figuring out what kind of hair cut to get?
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris What is Hair, Mine Never Grew Back Quite Right after Boot Camp.
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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I think like Kim, Jung Un - there's only one cut right? High and tight tapered in the back.
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SSgt Jim Smith
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After 20 years in the USMC I understood exactly how Rip Van Winkle would have felt after sleeping 20 years. The work ethic of civilians caught me off guard not to mention the "me first" attitude. It took me a long time to accept that I had to stop working after my shift even if the job wasn't done.
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Terry Pinion
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In the military you feel like you belong to something bigger than yourself and you know what the rules are...In civilian world you have so many people just their to collect a check while doing as lil as possible to earn it,,,,this can drive a mission oriented person insane...
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Punching the clock. When you get used to Day Crew Stay Crew, 12 on 12 off, weekends, etc, it gets a little weird sometimes being able to leave on time.
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SPC David Willis
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Id say for me it was and sometimes still is the fact that what I did in my 4 years and change really doesn't really matter in the outside world, sure it may be impressive to some or the experiences I had may be interesting to others but when it never actually helps in day to day activities. The skills I learned don't translate to civilian work and my body will never work as well as it did over that small amount of time. That being said Id still do it all over again if I could and wouldn't change a thing.
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