Posted on Nov 22, 2016
Where can I find the regulatory guidance for the proper way for a commissioned officer to address an NCO?
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One someone is senior in rank it's totally appropriate for them to call you by your first name. I can't imagine you'd only call those under you, who you work close with every day, only by their given rank. What a great feeling that is, "he SSgt, how's your family...don't know their names, don't really care I only care about the mission, not you or yours!" What an assclown leader. All good leaders know their people, their people's lives/wives/husbands/sig others/children and what issues are affecting them today. If your only worry is your boss must call you by your rank, then you are one super lucky fella! Time to get a lotto ticket!
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While I cannot speak to Army Regulations ( SSG Warren Swan ?) I can say that in the Air Force, this is covered under AFI 36-2618, The Enlisted Force Structure, which prescribes the proper terms of address for enlisted Airmen at each grade. Perhaps there is something similar for each branch?
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SSG Warren Swan
Even though he's right and should have an exception of officers using your rank and last name, I don't think that officer would like for you not to call him Sir. My initial 1SG upon arriving at my first duty assignment used your first or last names to relax you and it was a way of letting us know (IMO), what were were doing was good. I base this on myself and others there. He'd call me Warren whenever he saw me.......when he called me PFC Swan, and from watching others, I knew I had fucked up BAD. Sucks when your 1SG knows your family members and you didn't know the whole time. If it makes you uncomfortable, tell him to stop respectfully.
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We were always addressed by rank and sometimes name by anyone E6 and above or commissioned officers, especially so in a group where there are multiple of the same rank obviously. I was never on a first name basis with any Staff NCO.
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This is an old post, so maybe no-one is watching anymore, but I'll just put in my two cents anyway. Regulations smegulations, "there more like guidelines actually". The use of first names really has to do with time, place, unit, familiarity, traditions and personalities. When I was in the 82nd airborne div. My CO always called me Lieutenant Arnold and I always called my platoon sergeant, Sergeant ________ (I don't remember his name). I called my squad leaders, Sergeant __________. I called my buck sergeants, Sergeant ___________. We did not use first names at all.
When I was with in the 19th SFG and the 5th SFG and the 1st Psyop Bn. we used first names or nicknames all the time. All the NCOs were addressed each other by first name. I was LT (not lieutenant) or OX. The team leader was called skipper or Cap or Captain, but the use of rank was more like a nickname than a rank (you'd have to be there to get it). When one of us went to the battalion HQ we used normal etiquette and called all those non-familiars by rank and last name, but even then there were exceptions due to familiarity. I heard the Colonel and LTCs and Majors call each other by their first names, and Captains were most always called there first name.
After a few year in the infantry I want to flight school: Aviators were somewhere in between a regular infantry battalion and a special forces group. Of course, no one calls the battalion commander by his first name. There is usually one or two W4s (this was before W5) that no one dare call by their first name except the battalion commander. Sometimes this is out of shear awe and respect. Sometimes it is because he insists on it being so. Some battalion commanders were informal and called us all by first name in staff meetings and other situations where just officers and senior NCO were present. We called familiar crew chiefs and aircraft mechanics by their first names. They called us by our rank. Company grade officers (W1 - O3) were on a first name basis with the exception of the company commander. Of course there were individuals who based on personality preferred the army standard formality.
Well, this has been way to long, about something that no longer matters. But, my point is, many different things determine how informal or how formal members are in one unit.
When I was with in the 19th SFG and the 5th SFG and the 1st Psyop Bn. we used first names or nicknames all the time. All the NCOs were addressed each other by first name. I was LT (not lieutenant) or OX. The team leader was called skipper or Cap or Captain, but the use of rank was more like a nickname than a rank (you'd have to be there to get it). When one of us went to the battalion HQ we used normal etiquette and called all those non-familiars by rank and last name, but even then there were exceptions due to familiarity. I heard the Colonel and LTCs and Majors call each other by their first names, and Captains were most always called there first name.
After a few year in the infantry I want to flight school: Aviators were somewhere in between a regular infantry battalion and a special forces group. Of course, no one calls the battalion commander by his first name. There is usually one or two W4s (this was before W5) that no one dare call by their first name except the battalion commander. Sometimes this is out of shear awe and respect. Sometimes it is because he insists on it being so. Some battalion commanders were informal and called us all by first name in staff meetings and other situations where just officers and senior NCO were present. We called familiar crew chiefs and aircraft mechanics by their first names. They called us by our rank. Company grade officers (W1 - O3) were on a first name basis with the exception of the company commander. Of course there were individuals who based on personality preferred the army standard formality.
Well, this has been way to long, about something that no longer matters. But, my point is, many different things determine how informal or how formal members are in one unit.
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Probably a directive somewhere. I tried it once with a CMSgt. Chief Curtiss smiled and said, I’ll call you Lieutenant, sir, and you can call me Chief. That made things pretty clear. When I attended his retirement a year later, I realized he had served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He certainly deserved the respect. I strongly recommend officers address enlisted personnel by their rank and last name. Just the rank in some situations is okay. Address superior officers by rank and last name. Maybe just rank in some situations. Same for more junior officers. In a casual setting officers of the same rank can address each other by their first name, but only if there’s no enlisted present. This formal system of address avoids the whole pronoun problem.
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It isn't regulatory, and the new edition may have changed it (I doubt it), but I'd check "Service Etiquette", 5th Edition by by Cherlynn Conetsco, Anna Hart.
I have the 2nd edition which has an entire chapter on how and when to use formal, informal and casual forms of address.
If the officer in question is company grade he/she should NEVER address an NCO or SNCO by their first name or nickname (air wing call sign) if there is another enlisted member present. Nor should he/she address an NCO if another officer not in the NCO's chain of command is present.
If you give me the specifics I can tell you what my edition of "Service Etiquette says." Find a West Point, VMI, or Citadel grad for your branch. They were most likely issued a copy.
I have the 2nd edition which has an entire chapter on how and when to use formal, informal and casual forms of address.
If the officer in question is company grade he/she should NEVER address an NCO or SNCO by their first name or nickname (air wing call sign) if there is another enlisted member present. Nor should he/she address an NCO if another officer not in the NCO's chain of command is present.
If you give me the specifics I can tell you what my edition of "Service Etiquette says." Find a West Point, VMI, or Citadel grad for your branch. They were most likely issued a copy.
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Senior officers call lesser ranking officers by their first names all the time. I never heard an officer call his NCOs by their first name and I never even considered doing that. I would consider it a breach of military etiquette and decorum. Very unprofessional.
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To my understanding, officers of superior rank address lower ranked officers by first name. I'm not sure how long that has been going on, but I was told it's a way to make sure you get used to operating in the business world, no matter how long your military career ends up being. I certainly don't condone it for officer to NCO or Enlisted, for reasons already stated above. I enlisted later in life into the Army and by the time I was an E-4, I was among younger E-6's. They seemed to think of me more as a peer, and at one mandatory safety briefing, I entered the theater and answered the SSG who greeted me by first name with: "Sergeant." He half-wonderingly asked what's with the "Sergeant shit? You can call me 'Phil.'" Another E-6 friend told him that I was a professional and that in front of others, I would do the right thing.
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The NCO"s have earned their titles and should be addressed by it, The use of first names is overly familiar, How would the officer like to be addressed by his first name by his subordinates
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I can recall being called by my first name when I was a lieutenant; obviously trying to test me. I responded that my name was Lieutenant McAlister, but my friends called me sir. Seriously though, this officer is ill-disciplined not to mention rude. Step one is for the NCO to take him aside, and politely tell him that referring to NCOs by their first names is contrary to the customs and courtesies of the service, and undermines the sergeants authority. If that doesn't work, drop a dime to the CSM or company commander.
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Back in the mid 60s at the Benning School for Boys I was a PFC and driver for BN XO. First thing in the morning when I would pull up to his residence, he would literally hop in the jeep and say Good Morning, Ronnie, and a fine day it is. In fact, he always called me Ronnie. I asked the BN SGM about it and he said that it was OK for the Senior to be familiar with the Junior, but not vice versa.
When just Sir wasn't appropriate, to use the third person. Served me well. I would think that is still good advice today.
When just Sir wasn't appropriate, to use the third person. Served me well. I would think that is still good advice today.
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NCOs in the Army have 4 first names: Sergeant Major, First Sergeant, Sergeant, or Corporal
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There is an order that states that you must address all military personnel by there rank and name regardless if they are above or below you. I can try to find the order SSG
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When I was in Germany I had a Commander who was calling by my first name. I spoke to my 1SG and he nipped in the bud.
Your 1SG should talk to the Commander and inform him/her that NCO prefer being called by their rank. Regardless, if the Officers call each other by name they should respect us as they want to be respected. We are the Back Bone of the Army and we are more experienced than they are and should respect us as well.
I never seen an NCO calling another NCO by their first name we are not the same breed as them and we are professional as deserve to be respected as they want to be respected.
Your 1SG should talk to the Commander and inform him/her that NCO prefer being called by their rank. Regardless, if the Officers call each other by name they should respect us as they want to be respected. We are the Back Bone of the Army and we are more experienced than they are and should respect us as well.
I never seen an NCO calling another NCO by their first name we are not the same breed as them and we are professional as deserve to be respected as they want to be respected.
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Not sure actual refs, but it's really about respect.
If it was a good officer, they called me by my nickname.
A term of endearment for me.
Bad officers I expected to be called by my rank as Sgt
If it was a good officer, they called me by my nickname.
A term of endearment for me.
Bad officers I expected to be called by my rank as Sgt
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If an officer can order you to your death, the least they can do is be professional to you. The military is not like working for Walmart.
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When I first arrived in sunny South East Asia, I was met by a CPO who asked me my name. I was in civilian clothes. I said Jim: he said well FU Jim. I was his new CO. We called each other by first names and neither of us were upset by that. The only time I used his rank was during quarters.
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