Posted on Jan 3, 2015
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A PVT told the Drill Sergeant she didn't feel comfortable firing live rounds. Calm as glass, he puts a hand on her shoulder and fishes way in the back of the stack of magazines and tells her, "look, these with the green tips are special blanks. When you fire them, they go bang like blanks, but they will appear to put holes in the target so no one else will know." No lie, she cried tears of relief and thanked him for his understanding. I was stunned. By the time she figured it out, she was over it.
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SPC David Willis
Haha reminds me of a time we were taking a MAJ off base for the first time in her deployment. I was driving and she was sitting behind me. We stopped at the barrels to load our weapons and she looked at my TC dead ass serious and asked "do I have to load mine? It makes me a little nervous" He looked at her and shook his head and said "yea, yea it makes me a little nervous as well" she ended up mag in but not hot. The most nervous I had ever been driving around Iraq wasn't from IEDs or EFPs it was from knowing some Major who was scared of her rifle was sitting right behind me haha.
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MSG Thomas Currie
SSG (Join to see) - I was born and raised in NYC. I don't think I had ever even seen a gun in real life other than in the holster on a police officer (they didn't draw their guns and wave them around back then). The first gun I ever touched was an M1918A2 Browning Automatic Rifle, in college with NROTC -- .30-06, full-auto.
As I recall they only gave us each 10 rounds for the BAR, then 5 for an M1911A1, and 5 for an M1903A3.
That 10 rounds from the BAR was enough to make me love shooting.
As I recall they only gave us each 10 rounds for the BAR, then 5 for an M1911A1, and 5 for an M1903A3.
That 10 rounds from the BAR was enough to make me love shooting.
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MSG Thomas Currie
SPC David Willis - presumably not a combat arms officer, we probably have more like that today than before, but we have always had a few like that, male and female, officer and enlisted, every MOS. There are always a few that really just don't belong in a war zone.
A long long time ago, in a land far far away, we briefly had one guy in our tank platoon who rode the back of a tank carrying an M16 rifle because the M60 machine gun that anyone else would have carried in that slot was too heavy for him to lift much less shoot.
A long long time ago, in a land far far away, we briefly had one guy in our tank platoon who rode the back of a tank carrying an M16 rifle because the M60 machine gun that anyone else would have carried in that slot was too heavy for him to lift much less shoot.
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"Drill Sergeant I cant hit the target" Yes Soldier I can see that. I'll take a closer look this next round and see if we can fix that.
"Drill sergeant I think I know why"
Really...why?
"Drill Sergeant I think my barrel is bent"
Ahh, sure that could be it, happens all the time (no sarcasm font, but I would have used it to set the tone if it existed) then I notice the serious face...... ahhh, PRIVET .. WHY do you think your barrel is bent?
"Drill sergeant I bent it this morning when i fell out the window"
(Keeping in mind I was at Fort Jackson, in the first Gender Integrated units, so asking this next question is never fun and generally a bad idea) PVT how,,err why,, no how did you fall out of the window.and WHAT window?
".........Drill Sergeant......ahhh...... well...." STOP.. say nothing else... lock and clear.... we need to have this conversation with the commander.
"Drill sergeant I think I know why"
Really...why?
"Drill Sergeant I think my barrel is bent"
Ahh, sure that could be it, happens all the time (no sarcasm font, but I would have used it to set the tone if it existed) then I notice the serious face...... ahhh, PRIVET .. WHY do you think your barrel is bent?
"Drill sergeant I bent it this morning when i fell out the window"
(Keeping in mind I was at Fort Jackson, in the first Gender Integrated units, so asking this next question is never fun and generally a bad idea) PVT how,,err why,, no how did you fall out of the window.and WHAT window?
".........Drill Sergeant......ahhh...... well...." STOP.. say nothing else... lock and clear.... we need to have this conversation with the commander.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Would mind saying why you down voted my post?
It would be the polite and professional thing to do.
Would mind saying why you down voted my post?
It would be the polite and professional thing to do.
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SGM i appoligize if I down voted your post I actually thought it was funny and i didn't realize I even voted.
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SGM Erik Marquez
Lol
Been their
Accidentally voted that
No worries thanks for responding I'm not afraid of criticism just would like to know what it was.
Have a good day
Been their
Accidentally voted that
No worries thanks for responding I'm not afraid of criticism just would like to know what it was.
Have a good day
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TSgt David Holman
I would have had to hand him a bag of Doritos and tell him this was as close to firing a real weapon he would ever get...
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We had a guy in my platoon at Benning who had never fired a weapon before in his life. I think he swallowed a roll of quarters to make the minimum weight to get in. He was big into video games though. He was the only one in our company to qualify 40/40.
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Once, I was standing on the M9 range as a safety. My company had completed its tables, and we had assumed range duties so the other companies could shoot. I was hanging back, observing firers for correctable issues such as trigger squeeze, grip, and sight alignment. To my left, a SPC was all over the place. In the dirt. High into the berm. I moved over to look down his lane and figure out where he was going wrong. Wide right. Dirt Puff. Skipped one in and got a hit. Unsure myself what the issue was, I approached the Soldier and asked him what he thought he was doing wrong. He says, “I’m having a hard time adjusting my aim for the wind.” Now, I had heard a lot of excuses on the range, but that one was new. I asked him what he meant. He said that the rounds were blowing all over the place. Rallying some bearing, I asked him what the muzzle velocity of an M9 pistol was (1250 ft/sec). He didn’t know, so I informed him. I asked how long does it take for a bullet to fly 25 meters at that speed. Before he could fully answer, I helped him: not long. “SPC, how much do you suppose the cross wind (maybe 10 mph) affects the strike of the round between here and there.” He says, “I don’t know.” I say, “it doesn’t. You could be shooting in a tornado and it wouldn’t matter at this range” (not quite accurate, but I was making a point). Then he doubles down – “I don’t know about that, First Sergeant.” I say, “I do know about that. The reason you can’t hit anything is… (laundry list of issues that adds up to you can’t shoot straight). Get off my firing line and find an NCO who can help you while dry firing. Don’t come back until he/ she can tell me you are ready for another try.”
He slinks off, and his First Sergeant comes over to investigate what happened. I told him the story, and he wanted to smoke him. I told him to settle down, he wasn’t really disrespectful (I didn’t take it that way, anyway), he just needs some help and a break from the range.
The SPC came back an hour or so later and shot a 27.
He slinks off, and his First Sergeant comes over to investigate what happened. I told him the story, and he wanted to smoke him. I told him to settle down, he wasn’t really disrespectful (I didn’t take it that way, anyway), he just needs some help and a break from the range.
The SPC came back an hour or so later and shot a 27.
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OK 1SG (Join to see), one more by popular demand:
I had a newly assigned Army Nurse who clearly hadn't seen much range time. She must've fired 80 rounds on the zero range, before I finally had to shut her down to conserve ammunition.
Later that evening, I had told the company that if they wanted to have a beer that evening, they needed to have their M4 inspected by me and pass inspection. As the company filed through, up walks CPT (nurse) with her M4 shotgunned. I took one look at the interior of the upper receiver and stopped.
"Did you even touch the inside of this weapon, ma'am?"
She says, "No, I don't know how to clean an M4, I've only cleaned M-16s."
Stunned, I only briefly skipped a beat, then picked back up. "Ma'am, please go find an NCO to assist you." My patience would not have been able to handle this one without preparing myself first. I'd've said something wrong.
Behind her in line, a young SPC hands me his M4 and asks, "1SG, did she just say..."
"Yes, she did. Try to keep that one close. We don't need to embarrass her".
To that Soldier's credit, he kept it to himself. Every time I tell this story, we exchange a glance, knowing that we were the only ones to witness this. The rest of the unit has been trying to determine the culprit even since, but I won't say until she moves on to another unit.
I had a newly assigned Army Nurse who clearly hadn't seen much range time. She must've fired 80 rounds on the zero range, before I finally had to shut her down to conserve ammunition.
Later that evening, I had told the company that if they wanted to have a beer that evening, they needed to have their M4 inspected by me and pass inspection. As the company filed through, up walks CPT (nurse) with her M4 shotgunned. I took one look at the interior of the upper receiver and stopped.
"Did you even touch the inside of this weapon, ma'am?"
She says, "No, I don't know how to clean an M4, I've only cleaned M-16s."
Stunned, I only briefly skipped a beat, then picked back up. "Ma'am, please go find an NCO to assist you." My patience would not have been able to handle this one without preparing myself first. I'd've said something wrong.
Behind her in line, a young SPC hands me his M4 and asks, "1SG, did she just say..."
"Yes, she did. Try to keep that one close. We don't need to embarrass her".
To that Soldier's credit, he kept it to himself. Every time I tell this story, we exchange a glance, knowing that we were the only ones to witness this. The rest of the unit has been trying to determine the culprit even since, but I won't say until she moves on to another unit.
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SSG Keven Lahde
1SG (Join to see) TOP that is priceless. Question is when she brought it back, how did it look??
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SSG Keven Lahde, she did not get a chance to partake, I'll put it that way. I didn't see, but I will bet all the tea in China that someone in the company eventually felt sorry for her and cleaned it for her. I think she figured she was above such things. You know, like maybe back in the medical unit the docs were all important and so the enlisted folks did those kinds of tasks.
Not in my house. "I will maintain myself, my arms, and my equipment" is not a task to be delegated.
Not in my house. "I will maintain myself, my arms, and my equipment" is not a task to be delegated.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
bezel ring, nipple ring, what's the difference! (snicker, snicker, snicker)
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SGT Chris Stock I didn't ask. All I wanted her to do was qualify so we could finally leave the dang range.
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I only got 23/40 (first time though) in basic.
After basic, however, in Germany, I had an awesome support team that taught me to relax and I shot high 30s or 40 every time.
Then I got to El Paso. Had a terrible NCO. Terrible. But I was still awesome at shooting because I listened to what my leaders taught me beforehand. So we went to the range in El Paso, and I could not zero. EVERY time I adjusted my rifle(tight 3 rounds every time) my grouping went completely different than what it was supposed to be. My NCO, gravajola, or however it's spelled, talked shit about me with one of the guys that was supposed to be checking our rifles when we complained about them. They both came to the conclusion that I just sucked and was a complainer.
Then SPC Jacobs took a look at my rifle. He told me my front sight post was bent. He pulled out his gerber, straightened it and sent me down the line to qualify. First pop up target was, thankfully, 100 yards, and I missed, but was able to adjust where I should aim. I got 39/40.
My point being - maybe you should take the time to help your soldiers. Encourage them. Teach them. And when they have a tight grouping you should take that into consideration. Don't just sit around in a forum and complain about them. It makes you seem like a terrible leader.
After basic, however, in Germany, I had an awesome support team that taught me to relax and I shot high 30s or 40 every time.
Then I got to El Paso. Had a terrible NCO. Terrible. But I was still awesome at shooting because I listened to what my leaders taught me beforehand. So we went to the range in El Paso, and I could not zero. EVERY time I adjusted my rifle(tight 3 rounds every time) my grouping went completely different than what it was supposed to be. My NCO, gravajola, or however it's spelled, talked shit about me with one of the guys that was supposed to be checking our rifles when we complained about them. They both came to the conclusion that I just sucked and was a complainer.
Then SPC Jacobs took a look at my rifle. He told me my front sight post was bent. He pulled out his gerber, straightened it and sent me down the line to qualify. First pop up target was, thankfully, 100 yards, and I missed, but was able to adjust where I should aim. I got 39/40.
My point being - maybe you should take the time to help your soldiers. Encourage them. Teach them. And when they have a tight grouping you should take that into consideration. Don't just sit around in a forum and complain about them. It makes you seem like a terrible leader.
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The longest most people spend at the range is during basic. Then everyone else its maybe once a year from then on.
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SPC Eric Cunningham
I had a similar exprience - I changed units in Iraq along with the change in individual weapon - traded in my M-16 for a M-4 with Aimpoint. When we went to zero/qual, I could not dial the thing in - if I just changed elevation, wind age changed too and not predictably. Got chewed out and sent to another NCO to work on my fundamentals, and he couldn't see what I was doing wrong. I'm a pretty damn good shot and I was pretty sure my red dot wasn't working right, but I was told I was making excuses. So, after a couple more iterations of trying to zero, they ask if I'd be more comfortable doing the iron sight, so I tried that - grouped an zeroed in 12 rounds. Took the red dot to the armored who claimed there was nothing wrong with it... Until he tried adjusting it. I went on, with a different Aimpoint, to qual 40/40.
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SPC Eric Cunningham
And, as I pointed out, eaxh group I shot was tight - the groups were just going all over the place when I made adjustments.
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WO1 Jose R.
Cpl Ross Woodruff - Down voted you due to your comment being ignorant. If a leader is laughing at his soldier(s) then they are not leaders, they are here to mentor those soldiers. If his sight was bent then they should have helped fix it. Your comment is a reason we study toxic leadership.
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I think my most memorable experience was in Boot Camp. I was learning to shoot, and had a Corporal behind me as a marksmanship instructor. I guess I was doing something wrong, although I forget what. I kid you not, I was preparing to fire, weapon on fire, round in the chamber, sighting in on my target & I had begun trigger squeeze at end exhalation. As I'm waiting for the weapon to fire, I see a gloved hand move in front of my barrel, and he just says stop! I froze & almost defecated. All I could see was the hole about to appear in his hand. Thankfully, the weapon did not fire, the correction was made, and I learned to fire extremely well. Good instructor, but maybe not the most effective tactic to intervene.
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SFC Walter Mack
SPC Charles Smith - Very good question. It must have worked out well for him, because I'm sure we all would have heard about it if some idiot got himself shot.
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I heard a guy in basic tell our Drill Instructor that he was an excellent shot, but couldn't hit anything because the rifle distracts him when it goes "doink" (referring to the sound the buffer spring makes)
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Cpl Earl Lewis
Although cheesy...a private in my unit - after firing, mind the pun - muttered the phrase from Heartbreak Ridge:
"Gunny...my weapon's jammed!"
The gunny didn't snatch the weapon...but as the private was predicted to fail his rifle qualification, he looked at his scorecard...ALL BULLSEYES!
His reaction was like a cartoon character. I think he wagered the private to fail.
"Gunny...my weapon's jammed!"
The gunny didn't snatch the weapon...but as the private was predicted to fail his rifle qualification, he looked at his scorecard...ALL BULLSEYES!
His reaction was like a cartoon character. I think he wagered the private to fail.
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Two months ago I was on range detail and another private said he couldn't zero because his firing pin was bent and was making his shots curve. My team chief was also the armorer and assured him that his weapon was fine after they were inspected for maintenance later that month.
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SGT Michael Glenn
NOOOOOO PFC Palacios...I was a unit armorer for many years and its true !!! if that firing pin is bent the bullets will even shoot around corners!!!!!!! lol.... thanks for that one,I believe you just made my day !!!!!!
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When I was in Basic Training, I was not the greatest shot with iron sites. I always hunted with a scope. So when I zeroed for the first au sucked! I raised my hand and told the range safety that I was Native American (I am a proud Chickasaw) and I needed my bow and arrows! He told my Drill Sergeant and I did some low crawling!
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In basic I shot 39 out of 40 I have been shooting rifles since I was 10... I missed the 150 yard target and first sgt stops the line and asks how did I miss the 150 yard target? I calmly say "1sgt I didn't miss the target my round went through an existing hole" so he sends me out again to prove it and I shoot 40 of 40.... my bunk mate had never shot in his life was losing his mind the night before. I worked with him that night on what to do his first time out he shoots 39 of 40 1sgt asks him where he learned to shoot he says "spc bibbo taught me how last night 1sgt" next thing I know I'm coaching up all the poor shooters. I have one soldier who would blink or actually close his eyes as a pre reaction to the shot I made him take his other arm and hold his eye lids open while he shot and it worked he shot a 28
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SGT Michael Glenn
I used to have my soldiers lay in the prone with dimes on the flash suppressors and practice squeezing the triggers, threatened to staple ones eye lid open as he always scrunched up his whole face causing his shoulders to jerk and who knows where those rounds hit, I dont think he ever hit anything.
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PO1 Charles Carter
Mr. Bibb, some of us were taught from 2yrs on about guns from hands off to gun safety, muzzle awareness and later about aiming, trigger squeeze to allowing for range, wind and motion before teens. Since too few children now days have parents or others to teach this to them, to prevent fatal accidents, there should be a responsibility for gun owners to emphasize the "hands Off" and later on, rifle range might be an added curriculum in public schools. Safer homes,safer hunters and better prepared if called to duty. In boot camp,I got called to task for hitting that white disk when they put it up. Right it was immature of me even at seventeen.
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Well when I was a private and I couldn't hit the broad side of the barn in basic it was because my windage knob was broken and kept turning with every shot. I was finally issued a new weapon and never had a problem since !
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This is a range story - My first experience on a military range was in basic training. My DI walks through the formation once we march to the range and asks us where we were from and did we hunt? They pull about 12 of us out of formation and put us on the first firing order then have us set under a bunch of trees while the rest of the company zeroes. Once that was done, they call us back to the firing line and hand use someone else's M-16, since I shot as good left handed as right handed I would ask how they wanted it zeroed, right or left, and commence to zero.
We then were placed on the first firing order for qualification, of the 12 of us, only 10 qualified expert. we were placed under the trees until the rest of the company finished and called back to the line. This time we got to use our own weapons and qualified for the ones that did not after two attempts. The first two I shot for got expert, at that time I was hit on my steel pot by another DI as he informed me that I was not to shoot expert, but just pass. I did, I had a blast and at 18, I may or may not have known what was going on, but didn't care, I was shooting and not being placed on ammo detail or police call and no one was yelling at me!!
We then were placed on the first firing order for qualification, of the 12 of us, only 10 qualified expert. we were placed under the trees until the rest of the company finished and called back to the line. This time we got to use our own weapons and qualified for the ones that did not after two attempts. The first two I shot for got expert, at that time I was hit on my steel pot by another DI as he informed me that I was not to shoot expert, but just pass. I did, I had a blast and at 18, I may or may not have known what was going on, but didn't care, I was shooting and not being placed on ammo detail or police call and no one was yelling at me!!
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That is pretty awesome. My Drill SGT's asked for those that hunted, as well. Except they took a different route. They said they were to brain dump any and all of their experience. There words were "We are going to teach you the Army way." Sadly, those guys barely qualified when the instructors were done with them
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"I can't see the targets"
While on The EIB range, multiple soldiers had the same complainant.
When the Bde CO came out to observe training, a young PVT, supposedly bet the Commander $50 that he couldn't Qualify either. When the COL jumped down into the firing position to shoot he couldn't see some of the targets either. We were moved to a different range the next day.
Miraculously 95% of the EIB candidates qualified the next day.
While on The EIB range, multiple soldiers had the same complainant.
When the Bde CO came out to observe training, a young PVT, supposedly bet the Commander $50 that he couldn't Qualify either. When the COL jumped down into the firing position to shoot he couldn't see some of the targets either. We were moved to a different range the next day.
Miraculously 95% of the EIB candidates qualified the next day.
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I actually had a soldier tell me he did not know which eye was his dominant one.When he was shooting with his right hand his right eye was closed. When I asked do you see your target he replied by saying yes so why are missing every target he was like I don't know. Took the soldier made sure he knew his dominant eye and that day he qualified expert.
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SPC Stewart Smith
Excellent. You identified a problem and helped a soldier rather than going and talking shit about him to another NCO.
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I had a problem during qualifying/practicing a couple of times.
1) rain kept tearing the targets off the posts
2) snow. Damn I HATE the cold.
3) the worst and lowest I ever qualified, the WM next to me kept ejecting her spent brass down my back. Ever try to fire while being branded!
1) rain kept tearing the targets off the posts
2) snow. Damn I HATE the cold.
3) the worst and lowest I ever qualified, the WM next to me kept ejecting her spent brass down my back. Ever try to fire while being branded!
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
Is that why she was showering my with hot brass, she was a leftie. She is the only one who ever did that.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
My parents were both lefties but both shot right handed. My dad was a Marine also.
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MSgt Ramon Almendarez Jr
In my time all lefties became right hand when it came to shooting. I was the one who gave the lefties extra help on grass week. Love going to the range.
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I personally watched a young lady pull the trigger and throw the rifle across the berm when she zeroed. She stood up and danced around yelling that "it's too loud!" the range safeties came unglued and all I could do was laugh my butt off. Of Course, this was the same admin training unit that I supported when they went to the grenade range, I rendered safe 5 grenades all because of the shipping clips (jungle clips for us old timers) still attached! It was my turn to light some senior NCO's up over that one.
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