Posted on Jul 12, 2021
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AR 600-20 is clear. The title of address for a MSG is "Sergeant." My personal opinion is that the majority of MSGs that insist on it do so because of their ego. The remainder is just ignorance.

EDIT: There have been a lot of responses from folks of various services, so let me make it clear (if it wasn't already) that this question pertains to Master Sergeants in the United States Army. I don't hold any grudge with people who address them as "Master Sergeant" out of respect. I usually just make a gentle correction and move on. My question SPECIFICALLY addresses those individuals who (presumably knowing better) INSIST on being addressed in a manner that is out of line with regulation and what their motivation could be for doing so. Many responses are some variation of "They've earned it" but that doesn't hold much water with me. By the time an NCO makes MSG, they should be secure enough in their career and position to not need constant affirmation of their rank.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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As a retired MSG, I don't care what you call me. Never did. Most of my troops called me Sargn't Hutch.
I have been called many things, some not so nice.

Call me anything, just call me in time for beer-call.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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I wish I could drink. Sgt
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SGM Chief Executive Officer (Ceo)
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Sgt Bob Corridan - The USMC and Army have always done it those two different ways.
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SGM Chief Executive Officer (Ceo)
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SSgt Michael Bowen - I wouldn’t correct you for that, but I would speak to you privately, just so you knew the correct way.
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SSgt Michael Bowen
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SGM (Join to see) - There is nothing incorrect in my way, there for nothing to be so called corrected privately nor publicly. I understand my rank is only SSgt but my service spans over 30 years . That is by choice I liked what I was doing . Marines in 72 and Army from 83 there after to sept 2008. On Active duty for every war and reserves when there wasn’t. And at no time was my coming back on active duty ever denied or even questioned . I was good at what I did and my Army mos was 13F30. My last combat tour got me a medical evacuation to Germany and then sent to Walter reed for surgery and a med board retirement. I am very familiar with how to address a person by their rank . And do it correctly.
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CSM Brigade Operations (S3) Sergeant Major
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Because they feel entitled would be my guess. I always called them Sergeant...especially if it upset them.
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CSM Mike Oldsen
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Because they feel entitled would be my guess. I always called them Sergeant...especially if it upset them.
Hehehe then I would consider your a real Command Sgt Maj and not jst another E9.
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1SG James Kelly
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OK Sarge.
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CSM Brigade Operations (S3) Sergeant Major
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1SG James Kelly that was a good one
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1SG James Kelly
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CSM (Join to see) - I talk to God and I try not to piss him off; he has a good sense of humor.
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CSM Carlson C.
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When I first made MSG, it was other Soldiers that insisted on saying, "Master Sergeant". I was constantly correcting individuals and it became annoying. But I realized that from those Soldiers towards me was a sign of respect. I would never require anyone to call me "Master Sergeant", but in that respect I think is one of the ways traditions change. Any MSG that requires people to call them "Master Sergeant", except in the situation of differentiation, is in the wrong and is projecting an ego trip. However, from the bottom up when Soldiers say "Master Sergeant Such-n-such", from my experience it has been a sign of respect. If you wanna be called Master Sergeant on a regular, join the Marines. Cause you don't call a Staff Sergeant, "Sergeant", and you don't call a Master Gunnery Sergeant, "Sergeant" in the Marines, their culture is different. So until the Army culture changes, AR 600-20 is clear, so fold your feelings up, put 'em in your rucksack and keep it moving.
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MSgt Earl King
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SEMPER Fi.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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MSgt Earl King - You Msgt!! lol
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SFC Food Service Specialist
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CSM Carlson C. - not about being friends, and I am not sure where you think my interpretation of responses came from. I spent 24 years in the military, and I will not walk around blind thinking or acting like double standards did not happen. If you want to that's you. Also, it is not about quoting regulations; you can do that all day; it is about your actions setting the standard, not being a part of the problem but the solution. There isn't mentorship anymore at the senior level.
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MSG Andrew Selking
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I agree with you. I never insisted that people call me Master Sergeant, but some people did.
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Why do so many MSGs insist on being addressed as Master Sergeant?
1SG Jacob Brannan
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Go hang out in USAREC for 5 minutes and you'll hear people calling MSG's "TOP" for some unknown reason, many of which never even wore a diamond. Incredibly dumb and drove me insane.
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MSG Andrew Whitish
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When I was 1SG, My troops that knew me well refered me as Top. I found it as a sign of respect and acknowledgement form a subordinate that I respected. They were usually my fire and forget soldiers. I called a 1SG Top when I was working as a Div Safety officer and he came unglued. I found him to be less then honorable all around, especially with his own soldiers. I think its like black boots vs hush puppies..
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PO1 Robert Wikert
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I have read a great deal of the comments in this thread with amused curiosity for the most part. I recall working for an E8, in the Navy who had just transferred on to the ship, he was our SCPOIC, he insisted on the people under his command calling each other by their individual rank, rather than by their name. So, I was to be addressed as Petty Officer Wikert, instead of Bob, or Wikert. Most of the people that I worked with at that time had been working together for 3 years and were a very close-knit group, for the most part on first or last name basis. Admittedly, what he was insisting on was technically correct, at the time I was night crew supervisor and in defiance, perhaps, my crew and I still continued to address each other informally when the Senior Chief had left the area for the day. In the Navy, E1-E6 generally were called by their names, at least in my experience at that time, I was an E6 with 13 years. E7 was always addressed as Chief, E8 as Senior Chief, and E9 as Master Chief and if the Master Chief was the ranking MC at the command he would be addressed as Command Master Chief(CMC) although in my experience I never worked for a CMC who insisted on that title. Trust me on this, calling an E8-9 just Chief was a very quick way to a serious correction session, generally called an ass-chewing. Personally, that was never a problem for me as I felt that they had attained that level(rank) by hard work and many years of service. I also recall that my brother-in-law at the time in the late 60's was an E8 stationed at Ft. Hood, my then wife and I were traveling to NAS Kingsville Tx and she wanted to stop and visit with her sister and show her our 3 mos. old son as she hadn't seen her sister for a long time due the 1stSgt's duty stations. At the time a I was an E3, who was in awe of his brother-in-law's elevated military position. So, I insisted on calling him by his rank instead of by name, which he immediately informed me that he was addressed by all of his soldiers as "Top". Just my personal story for what it is worth...
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1SG James Kelly
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MSG (Join to see) - Close enough.
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2LT Sal Mortillaro
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You don’t know the history of the origin of “Top” then.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I'll admit, I refer to MSG's as "Master Sergeants", SSG's as "Staff Sergeant", etc... I suspect people like me spoil them.
I know the regulatory/doctrinal answer, but I also know that using the full rank is certainly not forbidden, and I don't like the Army's policy on form of address for NCO's.
To me it's more respectful to use full rank. So I do.
I don't expect anyone else to do it though. I know the doctrinal answer is just SGT. I enforce doctrine, not my preferences.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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It's the rank. I don't fault them for it but in the Marine Corps that's business as usual. I could see how it would ruffle feathers in the Army because it is going against the grain. On our side of the fence it always blew our minds that everyone in the Army was a Sgt. Many times I had a good chuckle when a cocky Spc would call a GySgt sarge or Sgt. Oh good times were had by all. Except for the Spc that is.
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SSG Retired
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I personally refered to all NCO ranks as Sergeant regardless of branch of service especially had fun with the Navy and Marines I knew it pissed them off I would just say get over yourself and walk away. One Time I had a gunnery Sergeant blow his stack there were several officers present form Navy, Marines, Air Force and Army a Navy Admiral walked up and told the Master Gunnery Sergeant to pipe down a Sergeant is a Sergeant
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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LCpl Benji Smith it’s spelled Sergeant…
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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LCpl Benji Smith My point is exactly what I said. You spelled it wrong. I’m not exactly sure why you feel like threatening an NCO is going to benefit you at all. But, whatever floats your boat lance coolie.
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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LCpl Benji Smith I also have a deployment to 4 different countries and a broadening assignment with probably as much or more active duty time as you. So, the NG comment isn’t as relevant as you probably would like to think.
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SFC Jeremy Boyd
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I often found myself addressing any MSG during my time in as Master Sergeant because it seemed strange to me that the pay grade of E-8 had two ranks associated with it, yet only 1SG had the distinction of being addressed in its entirety. Looking back now it seems silly, since I never went to that extreme when addressing a SGM versus a CSM. All I can say is that every MSG I ever worked with had already been a 1SG prior to when I met them, so for me it felt right to say the entire name of the rank out loud, and complied whenever any MSG asked me to just address them as Sergeant instead of the whole rank. I also never encountered one in my 20+ years who demanded that their rank be addressed in its entirety.
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COL John McClellan
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The way I viewed this over 28 years of active service was that it's a "custom & tradition" of military service (at least in the Army,) borne of respect for those who obtained this rank, rather than some kind of requirement. Cadets are taught that it is all together proper to say "Master Sergeant."
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1SG First Sergeant
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Sergeant is the appropriate but I personally call them Master Sergeant and have been doing so for almost 19 years and will continue to but that’s a personal choice.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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Back in the day I hadn't a clue how to Address MSG's either, Hell I was taught early on to avoid Capt's and above and MSG's and above. If you have time to shoot the breeze with one you have to much time on your hands. A wise CSM Told me to address SGT, SGG, SFC and MSG as Sergeant unless you are discussing actual rank with someone. As a MSG I spent more time telling folks to call me Sergeant. When I was selected to be a 1SG, I answered to First Shirt, Top, 1SG and OH GOD here he comes run. From the day I was promoted to E-8 I spent 3 years as an MSG to include 1 year as an Acting BN CSM , the other 9 years as a 1SG, I am retired as a 1SG but I answer to anything because I am retired and not clinging to the past plus I am being paid no matter what my title was. I addressed SGM's /CSM's as Sergeant Major to their faces and sometimes SMAGE when I had a running start.
My Ego was dead on arrival with my hopes and dreams when I made SGT the first time :) .
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MSG Tom Yuppa
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My thoughts also
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SPC John Tacetta
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Ha ha, "Here he comes..." That's the one!
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SPC John Tacetta
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SSG Bill McCoy - He got off light. Very light.
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SFC Food Service Specialist
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Umm what is a SGG?
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