Posted on Dec 31, 2013
SGM Matthew Quick
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As long as your rater/senior rater agree with it (by digitally signing it), why do some feel it's 'taboo' to write your own evaluation?<br><br>Here's some (hypothetical) reasoning:<br><br>Rater takes criticism personally - When we sit down to discuss my evaluation, I point out misspellings or grammatical inaccuracies; I don't want this held against me during a promotion board, but my senior rater takes this personally and gets upset.<br><br>It's worked this far, why change it? - I've been promoted on a previous centralized promotion board (or two) and I've read all the promotion board AARs to keep myself current on what's being looked at as higher importance.<br><br>Too Busy - My rater is too busy or I don't want to be a burden. &nbsp;I think it's my career and I feel a certain obligation to 'write it up' for my senior rater for review it and provide all necessary documentation to justify the quantifiable ratings.<br><br>Not an articulate writer - I'm a much better writer than my senior rater. &nbsp;I have a degree in English and my senior rater doesn't have a degree. &nbsp;I'm not looking to use fancy words, just words that appear on an educated level greater than high school.<br>
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CMC Robert Young
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<p>The USCG requires member to furnish bullets prior to rating time to ensure that the rater has a complete picture of the previous cycle. That said, I have command authority access to the HR computer system and have completed my entire EER forwarding the completed document to my supervisor on a number of occasions. I share the same advantage you mention in that I have developed a talent for writing, and take the time to develop significant supporting information to justify my evaluation. To date, all of my supervisors have appreciated the extra effort, and in two cases during the last five years they have actually raised my evaluation numbers above what I submitted. </p><p><br></p><p>As long as there are checks and balances to ensure that somebody isn't getting over on the&nbsp;system, it can be a good thing. I encourage my subordinates who have command access to the HR computer system to complete their own EERs and forward them to me. It's a great mentoring tool for when they are required to assume the role of rater.</p>
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SSG Roderick Smith
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I have written all but my first and my most recent NCOERs. I detest it; I am that guy that takes it personally. It is the Rater's responsibility to track their Soldier's accomplishments. You'll notice that I said "accomplishments"... because no one asks an NCO to write their own Relief for Cause.
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SSG Jason Deters
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My very first NCOER was written by myself.  My rater handed me a blank NCOER with my admin data filled in and told me:  "Here's your NCOER.  Let me know when it is completed."  I must have looked at him like he had 3 heads because he told me that I heard him correctly and that I knew better than anyone what I had accomplished or what I had failed at.  I knew what goals I had met and what goals still needed work.  He added that he too also knew what I had done or hadn't done and what I wrote down had damn sure better match what he had in his records.  I completed my NCOER and handed it to him and he returned it for correction.  It seems that I evaluated my self as "success" in two areas where he felt I should have marked "Excellence".

This was a development strategy.  He told me that if I ever expected to objectively rate subordinates later in my career I would first have to learn to objectively rate myself.
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SSG Jason Deters
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as for awards, I've never written my own DA638 but have written several for others.  In all of my awards, only one was actually written by an NCO..  the others were all written and submitted by Officers.
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SFC Derrick Hardison
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Of course! I was asked to do it and I also took it upon myself to do it since I was rarely counseled quarterly during my career.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Sounds fairly normal, SFC Hardison.
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I keep a running NCOER and update it as I do things during my rating period. I believe that only you really know what you have accomplished over that time. I then present it to my rater. It is my raters options to write new bulletes or use what I have given them. Most of the time it becomes a colaberation. Overall, yes I have taken an active role in writing my NCOERs. It is a reflection of my carreer and if I do not take an active role it may hurt me in the long run. I have seen NCOs that do not take and active role in their NCOERs and get ones that they are not happy with. 

 

On the award.  I had to write my own MOVSM (volunteer award).  I had worked hard volunteering and believed I deserved it for all my hard work.  It was not important to my NCO at the time.  He didnt want to write it up and basically told me if I wanted the award to write it up myself.  So I sure did that, cause it was important to me. 

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1SG Company First Sergeant
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It has been mentioned to me, but rest assured... It DID NOT happen.
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SFC Sniper Oct
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This is my opinion on writing your own NCOER/OER. I have had
to do this several times; I would then have to go outside of my rating scheme to
peers and other PSGs that knew what type of leader I was. I had to do this because
how can you honestly see your faults that you have made and where you need to
pick your game up? This point was made by someone in a earlier comment it is
like grading your own APFT. Yes some of us have the integrity to rate ourselves
the way we feel we need to be, but again how do we see where we need to
improve?



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LTC Jason Strickland
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It's too bad that our leaders - at whatever level and in whatever branch - don't take the time to make performance appraisals and leader development a priority.  One of the foundational principles of our military is that we develop leaders.  If a leader doesn't make it a priority to put leader development in writing (aka an OER, EPR, appraisal, etc.), then it's just lip service - and hypocritical!
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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<p>"Not an articulate writer - I'm a much better writer than my senior rater. I have a degree in English and my senior rater doesn't have a degree. I'm not looking to use fancy words, just words that appear on an educated level greater than high school."</p><p>...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This one would be why I generally write my own. My degree is not in English, but most of the time, the awards and NCOER's I see being written up by junior and senior NCO's&nbsp;are ATROCIOUS. It would be foolish of me to have someone else write my NCOER, knowing full well that the product will be sub par. They can address content all they like of course, but the actual structure and formatting I'll take care of. NCOER's are too important for amateur hour...</p>
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SSG Military Police
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Part of leadership is "Leader Development".  What kind of example are we, as leaders, setting if you do not meet your responsability.

 

I have asked my soldiers to "hand-jam" an NCOER, but this is only for my reference.  I am not perfect and could have missed a significant accomplishment of the soldier, that can greatly impact how the evaluation is completed.

 

It is my responsability to present my evaluation to my soldier, if the soldier takes it personnally or the counseling session becomes difficult, don't be a leader, that is what we do.  Interpersonal Communication Skills are just as important as the evaluation, again you are teaching, mentoring and coaching your soldiers through your action in that counseling session.

 

I hated recieveing an NCOER that if you took my name off of it, you might not know who it referenced.  NCOERs are a tool to help build better leaders and 'weed' out those that should not lead.

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Lt Col Instructor Navigator
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Well, for starters, it's illegal. At least in the Air Force.

Section 8.1.4.1.3 of AIF 36-2406 (the regulation regarding performance reports) states that the Senior Rater "Will ensure no subordinate commander/supervisor asks or allows, an
officer to draft or prepare his or her own PRF. Note: Eligible officers may provide
input."
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SFC First Sergeant
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We as NCO's have an obligation to make the time to write our subordinates NCOER's, and counsel them properly. The time it takes to write an NCOER is on the rater. If the rater is counseling ever quarter like they should, the NCOER really writes its self.

If you as a rater have a subordinate NCO write there own NCOER, you really should consider turning in your stripes. If you are an NCO and you don't nag your rater for your counseling, and basically force them to do there DUTY, then you are just as wrong as they are.

It is your report card, and if your not being counseling how do you know were you are going wrong, or if you are on the right glide path.

Raters and Senior Raters, if the counseling is not being done and you want to give the rated NCO a bad NCOER, all I can say is good luck. You don't have a leg to stand on. Just like when you want to frag a Soldier with AR15's and it doesn't happen do to lack of counseling. Any NCO that accepts a bad NCOER with no proof, shame on you.

End state is: Do your duty, and quit being lazy.
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AMEN AIR ASSAULT BROTHER!
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LTC Operations Officer (Opso)
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With the new OER system it locks you out of the evaluation so that you cannot (from your own login) write your own evaluation. So either you would have to write it and they cut and paste it or have to do it from the rater's computer.

It should be interesting to see how long this works and if the NCOER system will follow suit.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
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As a follow-up, what I have seen in several instances is "send me rater and SR rater comments in a word document for me to copy and paste."...
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SFC Section Sergeant
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I have help write my NCOER with bullets or just input, however I left it to my rater to make all final decissions.
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SFC Intelligence Analyst
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Yes. I wrote my deployment award and I hated that I had to do it. But I took it as an opportunity to figure out how to write an award for when I became an NCO (I was a Specialist at the time) so the Soldiers I'm responsible for never have to.
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Yes. I am actually in the process of writing my own NCOER. I was told by my OIC that he wanted me to write the initial draft of the NCOER for self development and then he would then create a final product. I believe that this is an effective way to develop an NCO especially in my situation when I only have one other NCO under me.
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Sgt Patient
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yep, my boss during deployment looked over and asked what I did for the year... So I drafted it up and sent it to him in a Word doc. T'is the life of a NCO.
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SFC James Baber
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I wrote my last 5 PCS awards, my retirement award, and a few impact awards.


As far as NCOER's, I probably did the base for about 5-6 of them, all annuals, and maybe 2-3 COR, and 1 complete the record.


Not saying it should be the norm, but many times it is becoming that way with many leaders stating they are too busy to do it over the past decade or so.

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SGT Thomas Lucken
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NCOER easier to write then the old EERs! :-)
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Of course. I imagine it's fairly common.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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^ Agreed.
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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I have written my own awards and NCOERs a lot throughout my career... never an OER, which is good.  Once, I was voluntold/begged to write NCOERs for 4 other NCOs in the office, 2 of which outranked me.  I just gave everyone the best write-up I could come up with.  
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I suspect we've all been there. It may be "poor leadership" to be a bad runner, but it's perfectly acceptable to have the grammar and writing ability of a first grader. Our priorities break my heart.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
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SFC Michael Hasbun Well said. Sometimes the things we focus on make me shake my head. Of course, this is not just an Army thing. I cannot believe the evals I see in the civilian world - and people are stunned that the ones for my staff evaluate (and even enumerate!) them. This is just Management 101, which is the LOWEST level of leadership.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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Yes to both..had to write my own PCS award, and AAM, when I left Recruiting duty back in '98; Company Commander didn't even want to submit one, because I wasn't a stellar recruiter, station commander (was acting 1SG) had me write one up and he "pushed" it through told the commander it's the least I deserved for surviving the 3-years of hell and leaving with the same rank. Lol...
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MAJ Teacher/Coach
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OER no, award yes and I refused.
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MSG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I have written my own in the past; I now refuse to write my own. My rater should know all of my accomplishments. Though there are a few that I feel I didn't get what I thought I deserved, I took it as an opportunity to do better for my Soldiers. I have always written a first draft, then sit down and having long discussions regarding the past years performance and articulating the accomplishments in a way that for a good Soldier makes that Soldier feel good about the evaluation (counseling session). Yes, the eval is what may or may not be looked at for promotion; however, my feeling is that the NCOER is for the Soldier. Nothing demotivates a Soldier than having a leader that doesn't care or know what that Soldier did over the past year. Writing an NCOER should be difficult and time-consuming because the Soldier should be worth the effort and time.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Counseling is key!
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