Posted on Jan 27, 2017
As F-35 Comes Online, Norway to Scrap F-16 Fleet
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Shouldn't President Trump try to get a good dea for the USAF with the F-16 Falcons that Norway is about the scrap?
Norway is about to scrap its 50 F-16 Falcons because it's too much trouble. President Trump should make them a deal and sell those planes back to us. Some of those planes have life left in them.
Norway is about to scrap its 50 F-16 Falcons because it's too much trouble. President Trump should make them a deal and sell those planes back to us. Some of those planes have life left in them.
As F-35 Comes Online, Norway to Scrap F-16 Fleet
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To be honest I am sad that Norway is making plans to scarp its aging fleet of F-16s LTC (Join to see)
Here is background and some details of the Norwegian planned replacement of its aircraft.
I was not surprised that Norway was an active FMS customer for F-16s. I expect the acquisition cost and sustainment costs for the F-35 will dwarf the F-16 costs exponentially.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article12.html
"The Royal Norwegian Air Force (Luftforsvaret) was one of the four initial European Participating Air Forces and ordered a total of 74 F-16A/B aircraft. Of these, 56 were updated under the MLU program. Norwegian F-16s will be replaced in 2015, with the most likely candidates being the F-35 Lightning II and the Eurofighter Typhoon.
History
In 1970, Norway started looking for a replacement for its aging fleet of F-104 Starfighters. Likely candidates included the Mirage F.1, Saab 37 Viggen, and the winner of the Light-Weight Fighter competition (either the Northrop F-17 or the F-16).
RNOAF F-16B block 15 #689 in front of its HAS at Andøya Air Base. Note the dayglo survival suits of the pilots, a necessity over Norway's frigid waters. [Photo by Ian Black]
Inventory
Initial Order
On July 21st 1975, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark ordered the F-16. Together, they formed in the late 70's the European consortium which was to build the F-16 under license. Norway acquired 60 F-16A's and 12 F-16B's from the Netherlands' Fokker production line between January of 1980 and June of 1984.
The first Fighting Falcon for the Luftforsvaret (Royal Norwegian Air Force) took off for its maiden flight on December 12th, 1979. All block 1 and block 5 aircraft have been rebuilt to block 10 standard. The RNoAF F-16s carry an unusual all light gray color scheme, with the Norwegian flag on the tail, together with a 3-digit serial number derived from the US serial, and roundels on the fuselage.
Attrition Replacements
Two F-16B Block 15 aircraft have been ordered as attrition replacements. They were not built on the Fokker production line, but delivered directly from General Dynamics.
Possible Future Orders
The service hopes to acquire between 30 and 40 new fighters to replace the F-5A/B fighters operated by Rygge-based 336 Squadron, the RNoAF's fifth fighter squadron. The 40 new aircraft are also meant as attrition replacement for F-16s lost over the years. After an evaluation of five potential aircraft, the ministry of defense announced in February 1999 that the choice had been narrowed to the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 50N. If the program receives Parliamentary approval, which the MoD hopes will take place in mid-year, a Request for Proposals (RfP) will be issued immediately. This could lead to a contract being placed by the end of 1999. Deliveries would begin in 2003. The aircraft will most likely be deployed with 338 sqn at Ørland, and 336 sqn at Rygge. The latter might possibly merge with 338 sqn.
In February 1999, the Defense Ministry announced it issued a letter of procurement, asking the Eurofighter consortium and LMTAS for offers to supply 20 jets in the period 2003 to 2010 with an option for 10 additional aircraft. The suppliers were requested to offer alternative payment- and delivery schedules. The requests also include a demand for 100 percent offset, under which Norwegian industry would be guaranteed the equivalent of the total cost of the order in other contracts.
However, during the year 2000 the Norwegian government announced a round of restructures. One of the measures was to abandon the plans for new fighters to replace the F-5s. Norway will now wait until the introduction of the JSF so as to perhaps replace all its fighters at once.
Beyond 2015, the RNoAF plans to replace its F-16s with 40 new fighters. Norway has committed about $10 million to be an 'associate partner' in the US Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) project, although officials stress this involves no commitment to buy the JSF.
RNoAF Inventory
Program Model Block Qty. Serials Delivered
Initial Order F-16A Block 1 3 272/274 1980
F-16B Block 1 2 301/302 1980
F-16A Block 5 10 275/284 1980-1981
F-16B Block 5 2 303/304 1980-1981
F-16A Block 10 15 285/299 1981-1982
F-16B Block 10 3 305/307 1981-1982
F-16A Block 15 32 300,658/688 1982-1984
F-16B Block 15 5 689/693 1982-1983
Attrition F-16B Block 15 OCU 2 711/712 1989
Modifications & Armament
Modifications
Norway's short and snowy runways, which are often located at dispersed sites, dictated that their F-16s be fitted with braking parachutes to handle situations where ordinary wheel brakes could not be used. These chutes are housed inside a large rectangular extension at the base of the tail fin, and Norwegian F-16s were actually the first F-16s to be fitted with chutes.
All Norwegian F-16A's (but none of the B-models) also carry an identification spotlight (similar to the example fitted to Danish F-16s used for identifying during nighttime intercepts. The spotlight is nicknamed 'Russer-lyset' (which translates to 'The Russian Light') for obvious reasons.
Royal Norwegian Air Force F-16s are equipped with the Northrop Grumman AN/ALQ-162 internally mounted deception jammer. In April 1998, Norway decided to acquire the Shadowbox II upgrade for the AN/ALQ-162. This will increase the capability of the baseline jammer to deny lock-on by pulse-Doppler (PD) and airborne intercept (AI) radar threats.
Norwegian F-16A #672, with a full load of air-to-air missiles (4x AMRAAM and 2x Sidewinder). Note the ID spotlight just below and in front of the cockpit. [USAF photo]
Mid-life Update
Norway participates in the MLU program and will submit a total of 56 airframes - 11 Bravo's and 45 Alpha's (all Block 10 or 15 a/c). The number of MLU kits ordered totaled one less than the F-16 inventory at the time. The reason for this was that, statistically the RNoAF would loose at least one aircraft before the project got underway. The aircraft lost to even up the aircraft-to-kit ratio was #78-0274. F-16A #299 from 338skv is Norway's TVI-airframe (Trial Verification Installation) and flies in American colors with the OT&E (Operational Test & Evaluation) unit. Work on the last MLU aircraft at the Air Force Depot in Kjeller was completed in December 2001.
Armament
Standard RNoAF F-16 armament includes the AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles. The Norwegian F-16s have an important anti-shipping role, and can also carry and launch the locally built Kongsberg Penguin anti-ship missile. Deliveries of the Penguin 3 began in 1987. The Penguin missile was also tested by the USAF under the designation AGM-119. Mid-course guidance is by an inertial system and radio altimeter, while final aiming is by an infrared seeker. Penguin missiles have been supplied to Skvadron 334.
The MLU saw the introduction of the AIM-120 AMRAAM. In a program expected to cost NKr4.5 billion (USD $602.2 million), the RNoAF is acquiring the AIM-120B Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) - providing a beyond-visual-range air-to-air capability for the first time. Deliveries, under a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract with the USA, began in 1995 and were completed in 2000.
Royal Norwegian Air Force F-16s used Paveway II (Mk 82) laser-guided bombs for the first time in September 1997. Laser designation for the weapons, lacking LANTIRN pods for the F-16 at the time, is provided by forward air control team from the Telemark Battalion, the Norwegian Army's contribution to NATO's Immediate Reaction Forces (IRF).
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Here is background and some details of the Norwegian planned replacement of its aircraft.
I was not surprised that Norway was an active FMS customer for F-16s. I expect the acquisition cost and sustainment costs for the F-35 will dwarf the F-16 costs exponentially.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article12.html
"The Royal Norwegian Air Force (Luftforsvaret) was one of the four initial European Participating Air Forces and ordered a total of 74 F-16A/B aircraft. Of these, 56 were updated under the MLU program. Norwegian F-16s will be replaced in 2015, with the most likely candidates being the F-35 Lightning II and the Eurofighter Typhoon.
History
In 1970, Norway started looking for a replacement for its aging fleet of F-104 Starfighters. Likely candidates included the Mirage F.1, Saab 37 Viggen, and the winner of the Light-Weight Fighter competition (either the Northrop F-17 or the F-16).
RNOAF F-16B block 15 #689 in front of its HAS at Andøya Air Base. Note the dayglo survival suits of the pilots, a necessity over Norway's frigid waters. [Photo by Ian Black]
Inventory
Initial Order
On July 21st 1975, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark ordered the F-16. Together, they formed in the late 70's the European consortium which was to build the F-16 under license. Norway acquired 60 F-16A's and 12 F-16B's from the Netherlands' Fokker production line between January of 1980 and June of 1984.
The first Fighting Falcon for the Luftforsvaret (Royal Norwegian Air Force) took off for its maiden flight on December 12th, 1979. All block 1 and block 5 aircraft have been rebuilt to block 10 standard. The RNoAF F-16s carry an unusual all light gray color scheme, with the Norwegian flag on the tail, together with a 3-digit serial number derived from the US serial, and roundels on the fuselage.
Attrition Replacements
Two F-16B Block 15 aircraft have been ordered as attrition replacements. They were not built on the Fokker production line, but delivered directly from General Dynamics.
Possible Future Orders
The service hopes to acquire between 30 and 40 new fighters to replace the F-5A/B fighters operated by Rygge-based 336 Squadron, the RNoAF's fifth fighter squadron. The 40 new aircraft are also meant as attrition replacement for F-16s lost over the years. After an evaluation of five potential aircraft, the ministry of defense announced in February 1999 that the choice had been narrowed to the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 50N. If the program receives Parliamentary approval, which the MoD hopes will take place in mid-year, a Request for Proposals (RfP) will be issued immediately. This could lead to a contract being placed by the end of 1999. Deliveries would begin in 2003. The aircraft will most likely be deployed with 338 sqn at Ørland, and 336 sqn at Rygge. The latter might possibly merge with 338 sqn.
In February 1999, the Defense Ministry announced it issued a letter of procurement, asking the Eurofighter consortium and LMTAS for offers to supply 20 jets in the period 2003 to 2010 with an option for 10 additional aircraft. The suppliers were requested to offer alternative payment- and delivery schedules. The requests also include a demand for 100 percent offset, under which Norwegian industry would be guaranteed the equivalent of the total cost of the order in other contracts.
However, during the year 2000 the Norwegian government announced a round of restructures. One of the measures was to abandon the plans for new fighters to replace the F-5s. Norway will now wait until the introduction of the JSF so as to perhaps replace all its fighters at once.
Beyond 2015, the RNoAF plans to replace its F-16s with 40 new fighters. Norway has committed about $10 million to be an 'associate partner' in the US Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) project, although officials stress this involves no commitment to buy the JSF.
RNoAF Inventory
Program Model Block Qty. Serials Delivered
Initial Order F-16A Block 1 3 272/274 1980
F-16B Block 1 2 301/302 1980
F-16A Block 5 10 275/284 1980-1981
F-16B Block 5 2 303/304 1980-1981
F-16A Block 10 15 285/299 1981-1982
F-16B Block 10 3 305/307 1981-1982
F-16A Block 15 32 300,658/688 1982-1984
F-16B Block 15 5 689/693 1982-1983
Attrition F-16B Block 15 OCU 2 711/712 1989
Modifications & Armament
Modifications
Norway's short and snowy runways, which are often located at dispersed sites, dictated that their F-16s be fitted with braking parachutes to handle situations where ordinary wheel brakes could not be used. These chutes are housed inside a large rectangular extension at the base of the tail fin, and Norwegian F-16s were actually the first F-16s to be fitted with chutes.
All Norwegian F-16A's (but none of the B-models) also carry an identification spotlight (similar to the example fitted to Danish F-16s used for identifying during nighttime intercepts. The spotlight is nicknamed 'Russer-lyset' (which translates to 'The Russian Light') for obvious reasons.
Royal Norwegian Air Force F-16s are equipped with the Northrop Grumman AN/ALQ-162 internally mounted deception jammer. In April 1998, Norway decided to acquire the Shadowbox II upgrade for the AN/ALQ-162. This will increase the capability of the baseline jammer to deny lock-on by pulse-Doppler (PD) and airborne intercept (AI) radar threats.
Norwegian F-16A #672, with a full load of air-to-air missiles (4x AMRAAM and 2x Sidewinder). Note the ID spotlight just below and in front of the cockpit. [USAF photo]
Mid-life Update
Norway participates in the MLU program and will submit a total of 56 airframes - 11 Bravo's and 45 Alpha's (all Block 10 or 15 a/c). The number of MLU kits ordered totaled one less than the F-16 inventory at the time. The reason for this was that, statistically the RNoAF would loose at least one aircraft before the project got underway. The aircraft lost to even up the aircraft-to-kit ratio was #78-0274. F-16A #299 from 338skv is Norway's TVI-airframe (Trial Verification Installation) and flies in American colors with the OT&E (Operational Test & Evaluation) unit. Work on the last MLU aircraft at the Air Force Depot in Kjeller was completed in December 2001.
Armament
Standard RNoAF F-16 armament includes the AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles. The Norwegian F-16s have an important anti-shipping role, and can also carry and launch the locally built Kongsberg Penguin anti-ship missile. Deliveries of the Penguin 3 began in 1987. The Penguin missile was also tested by the USAF under the designation AGM-119. Mid-course guidance is by an inertial system and radio altimeter, while final aiming is by an infrared seeker. Penguin missiles have been supplied to Skvadron 334.
The MLU saw the introduction of the AIM-120 AMRAAM. In a program expected to cost NKr4.5 billion (USD $602.2 million), the RNoAF is acquiring the AIM-120B Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) - providing a beyond-visual-range air-to-air capability for the first time. Deliveries, under a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract with the USA, began in 1995 and were completed in 2000.
Royal Norwegian Air Force F-16s used Paveway II (Mk 82) laser-guided bombs for the first time in September 1997. Laser designation for the weapons, lacking LANTIRN pods for the F-16 at the time, is provided by forward air control team from the Telemark Battalion, the Norwegian Army's contribution to NATO's Immediate Reaction Forces (IRF).
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The Royal Norwegian Air Force (Luftforsvaret) was one of the four initial European Participating Air Forces and ordered a total of 74 F-16A/B aircraft. Of these, 56 were updated under the MLU program. Norwegian F-16s will be replaced in 2015, with the most likely candidates being the F-35 Lightning II and the Eurofighter Typhoon.
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Thank you Stephen for the historical background and upgrades of this F-16 variant that the Norwegians have. Heck, we should get these planes because they can land anywhere. I'm surprised that the Norwegians aren't just going to keep those as a second line fighter after they get the fat call the Chris Farley John Candy versions of the F-35 I Can Fly Fast but can't make turns because they're as fat as those two comedians I mention. Two posthumous comedians LOL
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