Posted on Dec 10, 2019
OK Boomers, About That Working-Through-College Thing
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OK...I am one of those that worked my way through college because when I went to get grants or loans they said my parents made too much money. They were both educators, low end of the pay scale with two kids in college and two still at home. I worked two jobs (milking cows at 5 am and 5 pm everyday/stocking at a lighting store/and other odd jobs where I could find them). My GPA suffered a little bit but I was also carrying 15-18 hours a semester. My senior year they allowed me to separate myself from my parents incomes and show that I was a veteran because I had served in the National Guard and was able to get a loan and some grants for the year. I was able to relax and hold one job my senior year I did this so I could complete a degree for my ROTC requirements. I got through and it worked out and I appreciate my degree even more because I had to work for it.
I have a daughter in college and she was smart enough to get scholarships. What I have seen with her friends and others friends kids is that it isn't the school so much as they feel the need to be in sororities and fraternities which eat up the wallet with expense after expense, have to live in an apartment or house because the dorms are "awful slums" and the apartments or house are what they are the lifestyle they are used to. Bottom line is that the generation that is in school now are (and not all of them I say) entitled and feel that they need the very best and very finest of everything because that is what they have been given. A minimum wage job is just that...minimum wage, it is not designed to take care of a family but if handled correctly it can take care of an individual going to school if budgeted correctly and with loans or grants.
The one thing I agree with is that Blue Collar jobs are paying better than most college educated jobs. Especially in the beginning. Not the minimum wage but the skilled trades. I always told my daughter to do what she loved if that was plumbing, electrical, contracting, or nursing, doctor, or lawyer...didn't matter...trade school or college but you will go to one and do something. the kids these days that are forced to go to college just end up partying and getting through but the ones that are focused and know what they want do just fine. Trade school kids do two years at a trade center and then go to work starting at $30 dollars and hour most places because they have a marketable skill. I don't think we need to push our kids in any direction...just give the guidance and wisdom of our years and let them decide their paths and support them along the way to get there.
Maj Marty Hogan Lt Col Charlie Brown 1stSgt Glenn Brackin
Cpl Craig Morton SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LTC Stephen C. CPL Dave Hoover PO3 Bob McCord
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen Sgt Wayne Wood PVT James Strait
SFC Jack Champion MSgt David Hoffman MSgt Stephen Council
SGT Elizabeth Scheck PO1 H Gene Lawrence 1SG Steven Imerman SGT Steve McFarland SSgt Terry P.
I have a daughter in college and she was smart enough to get scholarships. What I have seen with her friends and others friends kids is that it isn't the school so much as they feel the need to be in sororities and fraternities which eat up the wallet with expense after expense, have to live in an apartment or house because the dorms are "awful slums" and the apartments or house are what they are the lifestyle they are used to. Bottom line is that the generation that is in school now are (and not all of them I say) entitled and feel that they need the very best and very finest of everything because that is what they have been given. A minimum wage job is just that...minimum wage, it is not designed to take care of a family but if handled correctly it can take care of an individual going to school if budgeted correctly and with loans or grants.
The one thing I agree with is that Blue Collar jobs are paying better than most college educated jobs. Especially in the beginning. Not the minimum wage but the skilled trades. I always told my daughter to do what she loved if that was plumbing, electrical, contracting, or nursing, doctor, or lawyer...didn't matter...trade school or college but you will go to one and do something. the kids these days that are forced to go to college just end up partying and getting through but the ones that are focused and know what they want do just fine. Trade school kids do two years at a trade center and then go to work starting at $30 dollars and hour most places because they have a marketable skill. I don't think we need to push our kids in any direction...just give the guidance and wisdom of our years and let them decide their paths and support them along the way to get there.
Maj Marty Hogan Lt Col Charlie Brown 1stSgt Glenn Brackin
Cpl Craig Morton SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LTC Stephen C. CPL Dave Hoover PO3 Bob McCord
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen Sgt Wayne Wood PVT James Strait
SFC Jack Champion MSgt David Hoffman MSgt Stephen Council
SGT Elizabeth Scheck PO1 H Gene Lawrence 1SG Steven Imerman SGT Steve McFarland SSgt Terry P.
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Worked full time as a single father as a full time Air Reserve Tech. Worked my ass off- deployed twice and still graduated- summa cum laude if I may brag some. Zero help from the ex- no child support and made just a bit too much for any other assistance. I am a few months after the boomers and not "designated." Education is NOT a right- it is earned- go earn it. I spent every drill check on daycare and classes- I left with ZERO debt. I was 35 when I walked across stage at Louisiana Tech- my son was 11 at his was the lone voice yelling that is my dad as I took my diploma. When I read stories like this- it truly pisses me off and comes across as whining. This is another shift in trying to make life easier- life is not easy- get over it. Sorry sweat equity built this country. Period.
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The key take away is that due to skyrocketing college costs vs relatively stagnant minimum wages, it is now essentially impossible for a student who works fulltime in the summer and even fulltime while being a student to cover college costs. So the old "I did it so the kids can do it" simply doesnt apply today.
As for taking college seriously, there have always been those who went to college and worked their asses off to maximize the educational opportuniries available, and those who went to party. It certainly was that way in the early 70s when I went to college. It is a myth that all students "back in the day" ere serious, and suddenly today they all goof off. And as for kids not working as hard as their parents, that is what every generation has said since time began. My dad said it about my generation. Yet now we're considered the old school tough generation compared to ones today.
And lastly, as to todays kids supposedly being spoiled and entitled, just who the f*** raised them to be that way? Why is it so common for older people to criticize the young peoples values yet never criticize the parenting skills of the generation that raised them to have those values? Oh, that's right--MY kids arent like that, just everyone elses are! People are so quick to generalize the entire population of young people based upon the examples of some, yet insist we not lump all the older generation into the category of crappy parents. :).
As for taking college seriously, there have always been those who went to college and worked their asses off to maximize the educational opportuniries available, and those who went to party. It certainly was that way in the early 70s when I went to college. It is a myth that all students "back in the day" ere serious, and suddenly today they all goof off. And as for kids not working as hard as their parents, that is what every generation has said since time began. My dad said it about my generation. Yet now we're considered the old school tough generation compared to ones today.
And lastly, as to todays kids supposedly being spoiled and entitled, just who the f*** raised them to be that way? Why is it so common for older people to criticize the young peoples values yet never criticize the parenting skills of the generation that raised them to have those values? Oh, that's right--MY kids arent like that, just everyone elses are! People are so quick to generalize the entire population of young people based upon the examples of some, yet insist we not lump all the older generation into the category of crappy parents. :).
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PO1 James McWilliams “paying cash for courses...” well yeah. Paying cash for anything is cheaper IF YOU HAVE THAT CASH
Working 40 hours a week at my state’s minimum wage nets you about $15k/year. According to the state Ed dept’s website, the average in-state student taking a full course load with room and board pays $21k/year. Math that out for me.
Working 40 hours a week at my state’s minimum wage nets you about $15k/year. According to the state Ed dept’s website, the average in-state student taking a full course load with room and board pays $21k/year. Math that out for me.
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Thoughtful, reasonable response. So many people are so quick to lament that “the world has changed” but refuse to acknowledge any change that disputes how they think things ought to be...
SPC Samantha Stapley
PO1 James McWilliams - I started college in 2001 with a little scholarship. I worked while in school, never bought coffee, didn't need 10 hours of sleep, and skipped meals to afford school. Yet, I somehow still couldn't afford to go, and didn't qualify for loans, so, I ended up joining the Army .
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SPC Stewart Smith
Exactly. Tuition is higher than any of the previous generations costs, costs of EVERYTHING has risen, while the pay scale has not reflected it.
The 'cherry on top' is the amount of hats that a typical employee wears these days. They are doing 2-3 jobs and getting paid less than a single job 30 years ago.
Millenials have a pretty rough road ahead of them. I agree many of them need to learn to budget and the difference between 'want' and 'need', but the deck is stacked against them.
I'm glad I got my GI Bill to pay for my tuition.
The 'cherry on top' is the amount of hats that a typical employee wears these days. They are doing 2-3 jobs and getting paid less than a single job 30 years ago.
Millenials have a pretty rough road ahead of them. I agree many of them need to learn to budget and the difference between 'want' and 'need', but the deck is stacked against them.
I'm glad I got my GI Bill to pay for my tuition.
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