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Westmoreland requests 44 battalions - Jun 07, 1965 - HISTORY.com
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General Westmoreland requests a total of 35 battalions of combat troops, with another nine in reserve. This gave rise to the “44 battalion” debate within the Johnson administration, a discussion of how many U.S. combat troops to commit to the war. Westmoreland felt that the South Vietnamese could not defeat the communists alone and he wanted U.S. combat troops to go on the offensive against the enemy. His plan was to secure the coastlines, block infiltration of North Vietnamese troops into the south, and then wage a war of attrition with “search and destroy” missions into the countryside, using helicopters for rapid deployment and evacuation. Westmoreland had some supporters in the Johnson administration, but others of the president’s advisers did not support Westmoreland’s request for more troops, because they disagreed with what would be a fundamental change in the U.S. role in Vietnam. In the end, Johnson acquiesced to Westmoreland’s request; eventually there would be over 500,000 U.S. troops in South Vietnam.
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Westmoreland requests 44 battalions - Jun 07, 1965 - HISTORY.com
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The issue was not combat power. It was never about weapons or the ability to fix and destroy the enemy. The issue was that we were engaged in a defensive war couched as an offensive. We were constrained to South Vietnam. The North Vietnamese had full access to had Laos and Cambodia as resupply lines. Even Air targets were controlled at the White House. You either fight to win or not. We never fought to win; over 50,000 were killed and we ultimately lost South Vietnam
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LTC Orlando Illi
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SP5 Mark Kuzinski - What really angered me was when I was at National Defense University and in one of my classes it was revealed that that McNamara actually was approving air campaign targets in the White House with Johnson. How the hell do you win a war when some narcissistic jerk - posing as a Sec Def is approving targets for an operational Commander? We were destined to lose Vietnam as soon as Johnson and McNamara became involved. We lost over 50,000 friends, relatives and colleagues for nothing - nothing
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SP5 Mark Kuzinski
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LTC Orlando Illi - AMEN!! I can't agree more! I think I put a post out about Johnson picking out targets last month.
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LTC Orlando Illi
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SP5 Mark Kuzinski - my neighbor and High School Classmate (he was 2 years ahead of me). Such a waste of a life in war that the bureaucrats in the Pentagon did not try to win.
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SP5 Mark Kuzinski
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Welcome Home John Tanney and Rest In Peace My Brother. LTC Orlando Illi thank you for sharing this.
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That is a lot of manpower to commit and not all be on board. Would have been some interesting debate I am sure- thanks for sharing and good morning SP5 Mark Kuzinski
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Thanks for reminding us SP5 Mark Kuzinski that on June 7, 1965 US Army General William C. Westmoreland requested a total of 35 battalions of combat troops, with another nine in reserve.
The Viet Mihn had transformed into the NVA and VC by this time.
They were engaged in total warfare which they learned in part form us in WWII. They defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu the decade prior.
Hopefully we are finally learning our lessons and will engage in total war against radical Islam wherever its raises it despicable head.
Here is an image of General W.C. Westmoreland the year prior from Vietnam.; 1954 Viet Mihn assault Dien Bien Phu; 1965-06-6 U.S. soldiers are on the search for Viet Cong hideouts in a swampy jungle creek bed at Chutes de Trian, some 40 miles northeast of Saigon, South Vietnam
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The Viet Mihn had transformed into the NVA and VC by this time.
They were engaged in total warfare which they learned in part form us in WWII. They defeated the French at Dien Bien Phu the decade prior.
Hopefully we are finally learning our lessons and will engage in total war against radical Islam wherever its raises it despicable head.
Here is an image of General W.C. Westmoreland the year prior from Vietnam.; 1954 Viet Mihn assault Dien Bien Phu; 1965-06-6 U.S. soldiers are on the search for Viet Cong hideouts in a swampy jungle creek bed at Chutes de Trian, some 40 miles northeast of Saigon, South Vietnam
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