Posted on Aug 22, 2015
Army tightens tenure rules for senior NCOs. Is This A Good Move?
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The Army is toughening up its up-or-out rules for sergeants first class and master sergeants, effective Oct. 1.
Under a policy change that takes effect Oct. 1 for soldiers of the Regular Army and Active Guard and Reserve, the retention control point for promotable sergeants first class will be reduced from 29 years of active service to 26, and for promotable master sergeants from 32 to 29 years.
Check out this article from Army Times:
Army tightens tenure rules for senior NCOs
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/20/army-tightens-tenure-rules-senior-ncos/32005119/
Under a policy change that takes effect Oct. 1 for soldiers of the Regular Army and Active Guard and Reserve, the retention control point for promotable sergeants first class will be reduced from 29 years of active service to 26, and for promotable master sergeants from 32 to 29 years.
Check out this article from Army Times:
Army tightens tenure rules for senior NCOs
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/20/army-tightens-tenure-rules-senior-ncos/32005119/
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To a certain extent yes it is. There are a ton of caveats to that so don't jump down my throat, I don't think we should be trying to get rid of everyone by any means, but we also do have people who are past their time to retire. With the system as it is this has to happen. The alternative (and potentially better one) is to change the system.
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LCDR (Join to see), Sir, I would never jump down your throat. I have too much respect for you to do something like that. I thank you for your reply.
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SGT (Join to see) haha thanks :). It was a general comment definitely not directed to you but sometimes people get very defensive and I can also see the negative side of this one.
I definitely respect you as well. Great post for discussion!
I definitely respect you as well. Great post for discussion!
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I'm still amazed staff sergeants can serve a full 20 years before being cut out. I see too many who have grown stagnant. It's not so much a problem at the senior levels.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
This actually makes sense because of the "coerciveness" of the retirement system. Because of the differences in the promotion rates across Services, it can end up taking 12+ years to hit E6. With that time investment, denying retirement it becomes really tricky if someone gets passed over at 18~, since you are not vested until 20.
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SGT Keith Bodine,
I am sorry to see this, but more of these types of cuts are on the horizon as the Army has to trim its ranks in order to meet congress mandated budget numbers.
I am sorry to see this, but more of these types of cuts are on the horizon as the Army has to trim its ranks in order to meet congress mandated budget numbers.
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I didn't know about that. Most responses I've gotten are about weeding out the slackers to allow those who work their job, to move up. Thanks, SGM (Join to see).
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SGT Keith Bodine,
Thank you for your service! I know that you had it a lot worse than the current generation when it came to fighting our enemies and there were no parades when you returned. Yes, the Army is still reducing its numbers to reach the budget requirements.
Thank you for your service! I know that you had it a lot worse than the current generation when it came to fighting our enemies and there were no parades when you returned. Yes, the Army is still reducing its numbers to reach the budget requirements.
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As always there will be good and bad come out of this. I have seen the oxygen thieves just take up space, I have also seen some put their heart and sole into what they do. I passed my last PT test at 55 why I see others of similar rank never take a test! But I knew it was time to go and let a younger soldier take my place. It is one of our jobs to train our re-placements so we can leave with no regrets. I know I did!
Removing Senior NCO,s is done about every 10 to 15 years.
Removing Senior NCO,s is done about every 10 to 15 years.
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MSG Reid Zohfeld, I hope you enjoy your retirement and have no regrets getting out.
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I'm not that guy that's going to say "make way for others", but there's a point where someone just becomes that person who ultimately just sends out emails, holds formations or chairs meetings. I'm not sure if the discussion was here but a general just finished out 42 years of service. He served 1 more year than I've lived. Not sure what more can be accomplished and I completely understand the love of service...I felt the ache twice,but as I look back even my minor part had evolved into me really taking up space and so I punched. Maybe it'll weed out those folks in the same boat. They're not going to be happy but if you don't promote, and it's been 20+ years, time to move on and enjoy a well earned rest.
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TSgt Marco McDowell, That was a wonderful comment. It makes a lot more sense to me than some of the other comments.
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TSgt Marco McDowell
SGT Keith Bodine, I realized that after I got passed over for Corporal my first time up because my Plt Sgt was riding out as long as he could and was causing a logjam in our MOS. I can laugh now but he freely admitted he was hanging on for a a better retirement percentage. As soon as he punched, I magically made Corporal. I definitely was on track for Terminal Lance and was 45 days from EAS. So this last go 'round, I got my line number but didn't have it in me. Twelve years of deployments and politics finally burned me out, so I moved on.
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A good deal. Some will advance so far then sit there taking up space. This way they will keep moving up the ladder - those who really care.
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It may be, COL Charles Williams, but it still doesn't make much sense to me. I had a neighborhood friend who was a Lt. Col. during Vietnam, When he came back to the States he was offered a command at Fort Hood, in a different MOS, or he was going to be drummed out. He took the command.
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I think every year past 20 there should be a real assessment of performance because there are some that are filling positions but not contributing to the quality of the personnel
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SFC (Join to see), Whether civilian or military, it's so easy to become complacent after being at a job for 20 years. A person who slouches on the job,is usually doing it because they think they're irreplaceable, and don't have to contribute as much as they did to get to the twenty years. That may work out in a civilian job, but it won't cut the mustard in a military job. It's very easy to be replaced in the military. Those who aren't performing and get booted at 18 or 19 years bring it on themselves. IMO
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Depends if they have deployed to a combat zone, what their MOS is, and what if any they have for PT scores. if these things matter for promotion they should matter fro retention and not just keep those seniors who hid at TRADOC posts for 20 years,
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