Posted on Apr 3, 2017
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It seems that everyone has something that signifies them as special or different from others such as the color beret, Stetson, buttons. How did this all start and why? Is it good to have or does it divide us between us and them....legs vs. Airborne?
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GySgt Bill Smith
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The one thing I liked about the Marine Corps was we didn't have all the badges and patches the Army has.
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SGT Ro Sapper
SGT Ro Sapper
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Then why did you join the Army?
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Sgt Dale Briggs
Sgt Dale Briggs
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Always thought all the Boy Scout badges the Army Handed out were a bit much. Read a map get a badge, start a fire get a badge.
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MSgt Jeff Bailey
MSgt Jeff Bailey
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Yeah, those bright blue pants with a large red stripes scream "subtle".
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MSgt Gilbert Jones
MSgt Gilbert Jones
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Be nice to Sgt Briggs, MSgt Bailey don't want to hurt the marines feeling, he might start talking about our uniform next.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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Submarine Dolphins are mandatory and essential. They show that you know how to fight the sub, save the sub, save your shipmates and save yourself. You know where the firefighting gear is and how to use it. You know how to get the damaged submarine to the surface. You know how to launch torpedos to defend the sub. You know how to stop flooding. You know how to breathe when the atmosphere is contaminated. You know how to drive the sub. And should all else fail, you know how to escape from the sub. Anyone on board a submarine NOT WEARING Dolphins has to be assigned someone to look after them as they do not know everything they need to know to survive.

Dolphins says that they do. So for that reason in the submarine community, Dolphins are essential. Anyone not wearing them is instantly noticed.
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MSG Michael McEleney
MSG Michael McEleney
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Would you even be on a sub, if you weren’t already qualified?
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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Yes. A third of the crew is non-qualified. Thats how they learn. Sub school is only basics as they don't know what class of sub you will eventually serve on. And even tho you are qualified on your sub, if your next sub is a different class, you will need to requalify.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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PO3 Bob McCord - Its been said that a submarine is more danger to its crew than to the enemy. Thresher is a good example. Sadly, the Cold War was ratcheting up and the last thing the government wanted to do was advertise that a builder (or two) screwed up the piping. An under the table witch-hunt commenced and soon, every sub was launched to a certain safety standard. I won't get into 1968's USS Scorpion as there are several schools of thought on how she went down. I think a few more higher up people need to die before the classifications can allow the info to be released.

As for the combat aspect, the training is tougher than it needs to be. And when the fit hits the shan, if you're where SONAR says you are, you're getting a torpedo that takes no prisoners. And sub-launched cruise missiles are 10 for 10 as far as shooting goes. One of our nav Chiefs was brown water Navy. You might have known him: Stephen Kollars. Crazy mo fo.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
PO3 Donald Murphy
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Chief Kollars' Nam stories always involved him machine-gunning someone or something. He had the worst PTSD ever. You couldn't wake him up for watch without him grabbing you, reaching for a gun, etc. Of course, back in my day we didn't know what PTSD was and just referred to him as "crazy Chief Kollars."
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CPT(P) Miccc Student
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You know I used to say the same exact thing... Then I had a Commander that said he's been doing this for a long time and he's learned that people care about the little things. The Stetson and Spurs, coins, shirts... This job is rough. It's uncomfortable, stressful, forces you away from everything you love. So if it's a Stetson or a cord that gives Soldiers the motivation to do these jobs, then I say why not celebrate the mutual suck with those that suck the same as you. I believe it helps keep Soldiers coming back. It's human nature. We all want to be in the club. Even if it means we sleep in a Humber for two weeks haha
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SGT Eric Knutson
SGT Eric Knutson
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SPC (Join to see) - I believe that it was Napolean who said, a soldier will go that extra bit for a piece of ribbon to put on his shirt. I know I did not quote it exactly right, but that was the gist of what he was saying, so putting bling, or swag or whatever is something that has been around for a very long time. I do think maybe we put too much on, but then, looking at my own rack, I see a lot that were for different missions, or in the case of Desert Storm 4 different ribbons just for being there, but they were each from different country in the case of 3 of them, the 4th being Nat Def which I will admit I am more ambivalent about.
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SSG Jeffrey Monk
SSG Jeffrey Monk
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Its all about those who put a bit more effort into their jobs. Who would you follow, the sergeant who goes back to his room and prep for a night on the town, does the minimum through out the week to feel as though he earn his pay check or the guy who sacrificed months of his life to attend Ranger School? There was and is a reason why Airborne School is all voluntary.
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Maj Security Forces
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The Stetson and Spurs, coins, shirts... I'm retired Air force but always thought these were so distinctive!
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Capt Christian D. Orr
Capt Christian D. Orr
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As someone who proudly earned the blue beret as a both a USAF Security Forces enlisted troop and commissioned officer, I can affirm that the little things go a long way!
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Does everyone need something "shiny" to make themselves stick out from other branches/services?
MSG Lance Kelly
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Do we need something "shiny"? I don't think so but there are branches and traditions that set us apart from others. I don't believe it is to make us seem superior to others as much as to identify us to a particular group. I served in the Calvary and earned my spurs for being in combat. I was proud to wear them during those days, it was an accomplishment I earned. I didn't boast about it or go around thinking I was better than others, even when we wore them on post. Today my spurs hang on a wall and now just represent a time in my military career that I can share with my kids. The military could make us look the same but it is those "shiny" items that give us something to want or simply admire. I remember seeing Soldiers with the green berets and I know they were the best of the best and they deserve that respect. I recently read "Lone Survivor" and "American Sniper". Just reading about the training part made me look at myself and think, "What I have really done?" Not to take away from my accomplishments or even think I am comparing myself but these individuals have been put through things I can't imagine or endure. So, I don't see it being wrong if they get something "shiny" to set them apart. I give them respect for doing something I can't or won't. What I don't like to see is when "shiny" items are used in order to make them feel more superior to others. Just because I'm not infantry or artillery doesn't make me any less of a Soldier or leader. I just do a different job. We are one team within the Army. We are one team within the military. Together we win wars and protect this nation. Just keep it clean and support each other.
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1SG(P) First Sergeant
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Is there an Army in the world that doesn't do that?
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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1SG(P) (Join to see) - It was worn in a movie and looked cool. Some chopper pilots wore them to show off.
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CW5 Ranger Dave
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SGT Randall Smith - Please...a chopper is a light machine gun used by 1930s gangsters. We prefer "Flat Bellied Steely Eyed Rotary Wing Aviator."
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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CW5 Ranger Dave - Please Ranger Dave, excuse the lapse in judgement and forgetfulness. It has been almost 50 years since I rode with a chopper jockey and I had forgotten how touchy and sensitive they could be.
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen C.
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Requiescat in pace, 1SG(P) (Join to see).
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COL Charles Williams
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No... But we in the Army love doodads.
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COL John McClellan
COL John McClellan
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And that's a doctrinal term... "doodads" :)
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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I guess with the now past green service uniform there were enough doodads to look like a decorated Christmas Tree !
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
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If the PX don't carry it, we'll invent it! :)
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CW2 Legal Administrator
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I am personally not familiar with legs vs. airborne but every soldier needs to distinguish himself somehow from the lot to be looked at differently for promotion. The fact is that it is more competitive than ever. We hope that the most deserving are the ones rising. To make yourself stand out you'll need to do things others might not. In the JAG branch I see few airborne, air assault qualified folks which make them "shinier" than others. I myself see them in a different light. I'm proud for them as they have been brave to do something I myself haven't. Anyway, my point being that you need to stand out as an expert in your MOS and wherever you can (broadening assignments, badges, overseas assignments, etc.) to separate yourself from the rest. Do some soldiers come across such opportunities easier? Maybe? But taking advantage of those opportunities will be key for future assignments and promotion capability.
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Sword and Quill stands out pretty well Ma'am
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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I entered the Army 3 years after my dad retired. He told me not to stand out as a screw up but as a hard working trooper. When I got to Germany I saw all these 2 and 3 year PFC's and Spec 4's. They were happy with what they had. I was an E=1 but I wanted to know how to make Sgt. So I cheated and had stitches sewn in my uniforms so I always looked sharp. I learned to spit shine boots by doing my dad's for years so I did mine the same way.
I worked under a 1st LT and he taught me a lot. And I knew to take care of him and make his job easier. Learned that from the First Sgt. Next thing you knew I was a Spec 4. Went to the TOP and ask how to get to Sgt. Told me I had to change MOS and go to a school. Talked to a buddy in personnel and in three weeks off to Bad Toltz and radio school. 6 weeks later I was back, a new MOS and working radio. 2 months later before a promotion board. Sgt E-5 and a lot of the guys that were there when I got there were still E-4's and would never go higher. Took 18 months but I beat my brother by one month.
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SGT Randall Smith - That's a great story SGT Smith! I love to hear from Soldiers who took advantage of the opportunities around them and didn't sulk under all the what ifs and "bureaucracies" so to speak within the system. It's a great tale to tell others who seek opportunities wherever they may be. And like you, its sometimes worth looking to other branches and climbing up from there than to bang your head against a wall if opportunity in your MOS/branch is tight. It's all about motivation and dedication. As long as you now make the best of the MOS you are in and become an asset to the team, there will always be doors opening for you. Keep up the good work!
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CW5 Ranger Dave
CW5 Ranger Dave
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SGT Randall Smith - Ditto. Dad retired in 69 and I enlisted at 17 in 72 right out of HS. 11B through Jump School to the 509th. First Airborne assignment was the most awesome leadership school. E-4, E-5, E-6, WOC, and Aviation Warrant Officer career. What a fabulous journey. Enjoyed every minute. Miss it with all my heart.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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SFC Manuel Sandino
SFC Manuel Sandino
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A soldier will fight long and hard for....the guy next to him in the fox hole...the guy in front and behind him on the stack....a good leader.....God and Country.....etc..
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CAPT Kevin B.
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Had to chuckle because of all the different things I've seen around the world. An oddity is the Thai Special Forces wear spurs. They're ornamental and given their small size, are nonfunctional. But, It'd take more cajones than I have to rip one off them. Another common thing is to have an extreme personal mannerism that is unique. You see that on parade with the South Korean officers all having to have a different way of holding and puffing a cigarette. Seeing them lined up at a table, all performing, reminds me of the zoo.
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LCDR Frederick Clem
LCDR Frederick Clem
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CAPT Bell,

And, I am sure you have observed all the medals that the North Korean Officers wear. Some of them have them from their shoulders to feet. I doubt that any of them have every been in combat. All we need is a big magnet and we would wipe out all the North Korean Military Officers.
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MSgt Special Operations Weather
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I view it as sponsoring healthy competition between and within branches of the military. You see someone with a blue cord and know they are a pipe hitter. You see a pipe hitter with wings and know they are a bit crazy. You see a JM and just step off the sidewalk. Naval officers are great because no one in any other service can figure out their rank. It's also fun to bring up old traditions like saying "by your leave, Sir" when passing a Naval officer from behind. Confuses the heck out of newbies. The Air Force simply suffers in silence while wearing their bus driver's uniform. Marines - well, nice hats. Perhaps the reason Marine uniforms have so few accoutrements is because they were originally supposed to climb the rigging and this prevented things catching?
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
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True about naval officers. If they're not wearing TWs with standard rank insignia, I don't know what they are. Even then you have to translate to "navalese". Whole navy is wacky. My wife retired as a Petty Officer E-6. One day I asked her a question about NCOs. She gave me a blank stare. Didn't know what those were even though she was one. And to top it off, they only wear rank insignia on one sleeve!
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Capt Christian D. Orr
Capt Christian D. Orr
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman - Not to mention enlisted Navy sailors put their freakin' job rating abbreviations as their "rank" instead of simply "PO3, PO2, PO1, CPO," and so forth--gets confusing as hell if you've not well-versed in Navyspeak!
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
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Capt Christian D. Orr - Someday, have one of them explain the difference between rank, rate, and rating. Your eyes will glaze over.
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