Posted on Sep 3, 2015
Have you heard about the Army using new fragmenting ammunition?
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"There's a myth that [expanding/fragmenting bullets] are prohibited in international armed conflict, but that doesn't make any sense now," Jackson said.
"After a recent legal review within the Pentagon, the Army can consider adopting "special purpose ammunition," said Richard Jackson, special assistant to the Army Judge Advocate General for Law of War, according to an Army news release. This marks a departure from battlefield practices over a century old.
Jackson told Army Times that while this isn't the first approved use of such bullets in the military, the stance represented "a significant re-interpretation of the legal standard" for ammunition. He also said a lot has changed since the initial movements against the round, especially with the increased prevalence of ASYMMETRIC WARFARE."
The Army is moving closer to adopting a new standard issue pistol. The Army is looking for a more modern sidearm that can use additional accessories. In addition to this the Army wants to move away from the standard ball ammunition and is looking at hollow point and fragmenting ammo types. The R.I.P 9mm is an example of what fragmenting ammunition will look like. This ammo will have much greater destructive force than ammunition previously used for standard issue sidearms. Here's a link to what it looks like and how it performs. http://mic.com/articles/80211/a-new-bullet-has-been-invented-this-is-what-it-looks-like
"After a recent legal review within the Pentagon, the Army can consider adopting "special purpose ammunition," said Richard Jackson, special assistant to the Army Judge Advocate General for Law of War, according to an Army news release. This marks a departure from battlefield practices over a century old.
Jackson told Army Times that while this isn't the first approved use of such bullets in the military, the stance represented "a significant re-interpretation of the legal standard" for ammunition. He also said a lot has changed since the initial movements against the round, especially with the increased prevalence of ASYMMETRIC WARFARE."
The Army is moving closer to adopting a new standard issue pistol. The Army is looking for a more modern sidearm that can use additional accessories. In addition to this the Army wants to move away from the standard ball ammunition and is looking at hollow point and fragmenting ammo types. The R.I.P 9mm is an example of what fragmenting ammunition will look like. This ammo will have much greater destructive force than ammunition previously used for standard issue sidearms. Here's a link to what it looks like and how it performs. http://mic.com/articles/80211/a-new-bullet-has-been-invented-this-is-what-it-looks-like
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I have seen a ballistics gel in which a .45 fragmenting round had been fired and while there was alot of fragments and damage as the round penetrated, the main part of the round still penetrated 8-10 inches into the gel. I think that would definitely take the fight out of somebody. Overall, a really impressive round, IMO.
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SSG Timothy Miller
I agree. IMO, the .45 JHP (jacketed hollow point) is the best all around bullet/caliber. I personally carry this round in my concealed carry set up.
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MAJ (Join to see)
You should pick up some of these fragmenting rounds. They are a little pricey but if you ever need to shoot one, it'll be worth it.
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I hadn't heard but it sounds like the right approach to defeating your enemy.
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I am of the opinion that frag rounds like that open the door for other even worse rounds... coming back at us. There is always a give and take, I for one don't want to see us get hit with the take part.
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I was going to post some BS But CAPT. KEVEN B.s post covers it every will.Aand I agree with it whole heartedly. I love the common sense here on RP.
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well ... as long as we can handle it when enemy throw the same thing at us :)
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If the army or any legitimate uniformed service ever adopts the R.I.P. round, then we know someone's made a friend in congress. That round is the biggest load of gimmick horse s*** ever produced. It has no place in any application. War, self defense, hunting, or sport. None of it. It has been proven to lose far too much energy. Literally not even worth making it a fishing weight.
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While it does not necessarily apply to military rounds one of the reasons that most law enforcement and many civilians use fragmenting rounds is that they don't over penetrate. If I shoot you with one I won't also kill the three people behind you. As for "rules of war" etc. I would like to know exactly which enemy that the US has ever engaged that concerned themselves about the Geneva Conventions or any other such rules?
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CPT (Join to see)
SGT Jerrold Pesz did you see the ballistic testing video provided by SSG Neumann in this thread? If you didn't check it out, it addresses the penetrating issue you mentioned. With regards to the Geneva Convention ...we know.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
CPT (Join to see) - I both read the link and bookmarked it for future study. For many years I used Corbon 115 JHP +P for duty ammo based on testing that I had read in several law enforcement magazines and this link seems to bear out their results. Thanks for pointing me at the link.
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SSG Jason Neumann
Well, with some rounds even different calibers, there are some that over penetrate. It would be the best case scenario that when you engage on a target that 1. Be sure there are no other non-hostile targets beyond the intended target 2. Well aimed shot to the torso, which is the best area (since it's large) to engage. However, we all know there are Murphy's Law and anything bad that can happen will. There are individuals who do these benchmarks, which aids us in the overall decision of what choices to make in a desired round to place in our EDC.
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