Posted on May 27, 2015
How do you respond when civilians question you about your military service and don't like your answer
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In May and June each year, people who don't usually talk about the military seem more interested. Personally I enlisted at the end of the Vietnam War hoping to be sent over; but, additional Combat Engineers weren't needed at that point. Throughout my career I submitted periodic requests for assignments - 1st one to Germany an a young Infantry officer during the cold war was the only request that was agreed to by the Army. Later on I realized I was going to be serving primarily to meet Army requirements - if my desires matched great if not I learned to live with it and do the best i could in every assignment to meet the requirements of those over me and train and protect those serving alongside and serving under me.
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I play it by ear. I can understand it, I suppose. Whenever someone unknowingly engages a soldier in conversation, maybe the naive or un-knowledgeable are hoping they're speaking to Master Chief from 'Halo' or something. As a child, who didn't understand the world or the amazing non-combat roles the military requires of service members, I imagine I was disappointed my grandfather, a naval aviator, was not a fighter pilot. I was young, what can I say.
But typically, it pisses me off and I have to immediately disengage before I do something I regret. Probably an insecurity, because when I converse with SMs and Veterans, I feel pretty disappointed in my service, too.
But typically, it pisses me off and I have to immediately disengage before I do something I regret. Probably an insecurity, because when I converse with SMs and Veterans, I feel pretty disappointed in my service, too.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thank you SPC (Join to see) for your service. I hope you will soon realize that like your grandfather was one of the 10 million plus men and women who participated in the tremendous effort which is called WWII; the service you provided supported war efforts, training for future war efforts and helping to keep this nation free. Honorable service is nothing to be ashamed of or disappointed in.
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SPC Charles Brown
In my opinion SPC (Join to see) a retiree or veteran should never be disappointed in their service. You see, we also serve who provide food, supplies, medical care and other materiel needed to wage both peace and war. Without those of us they call POG they would run out of the things they need to completer their mission. In short without us they wouldn't last very long.
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SFC(P) Aaron Fore
My team and I conducted many missions outside the wire and we were envied by some of the support Soldiers and I would always stop and let them know that without them, we cannot do what we do. The medical, logistics, food etc. is such an enormous force multiplier. Never undervalue your service, it is every bit as important.
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SPC Christian Ziegler
I know what its like with no support, my troop was there long before our regiment. We did not have water, we only had MRE's for 3 month and those where broken down not in cardboard so they would take up less room in our gun trucks, but we had plenty of ammo, when we left Doha each one of us loaded about 1260x 5.56, over 40 grenades. I don't even want to get into 7.62 or 50 cal , mark 19 ammo we had so much ammo all our other gear was outside the truck duffel bags on back hatch rucks on the brush guard. All because we had no support. At night we would still sneak over to another unit and steal cases of water. Scouts Out
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Never had my service called in to question. Not quite sure how I would react. Would problem just laugh at them.
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MSG Brad Sand
The only time I can remember hearing anything negative was during Desert Storm, a girl in the bar learned I was in the Army and told me "Well, I hate war." I informed her that as much as she thought she hated war, we soldiers hated war even more because it directly effected us and our friends. While she might not like a war taking place half a World away, her friends and family were safe and sound, because of the blanket of freedom we in the military provided for her. I thought I was really doing a good job on her...but she ended up going back to her boyfriend...but I did try.
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SGT Terry Ryan
Well said. I personally can't stand hearing a civi say anything about war. If you haven't fought in one your opinion don't mean shit.
civilians can not comprehend what it's like.
civilians can not comprehend what it's like.
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I do my best to treat everyone with respect, but if you are questioning my service for some reason, then we might be at an impasse. I know there are those who say "your Airforce... you never saw combat", I tell them, "No, someone had to be there to save lives and ease suffering after the fire fights..." If they don't like that answer, I'm done, and walk away.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thanks TSgt David Holman I have learned that many people do not realize that without a robust support capability those fighting direct combat would be quickly suffering. Even when I was a young Infantry Officer I learned to trust those who provided ammo, fuel, food, spare parts as well as strategic lift when required.
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I am waiting on a civilian to demand my CoC's contact information, and I will give them the number to the Provost Marshal Office on Fort Bliss, TX.
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Interesting question. You're right! This time of year brings out the questions. Honestly, I try not to talk about being a vet and when the subject comes up, I downplay my service.
My dad is a retired CMSgt with 29 years of service. He started his career in Vietnam as a door gunner on Hueys. He was shot down twice and went through a lot of bad $h1t. He has multiple Purple Hearts, scars - both physical and mental - and still carries shrapnel in his body.
I never went to war. I never shot anyone or was shot or even shot at. Didn't lose a limb or limbs or eyesight. Never suffered from PTSD. But, I did get money for college! You see my point?
There are a lot of people like my father who deserve to be recognized for their service. I'm not one of them. When I attend events, say a hokey game, where they want all vets to stand up so the crowd can applaud for them, I do not stand. I don't feel it's appropriate. Inevitably there are times when my service comes up and the response above is what I say when people are like, "Oh! Thank you for your service!"
I'm not ragging on anyone who is like me, but does accept praise or benefits for being a vet. I just cannot do it with a clear conscience.
My dad is a retired CMSgt with 29 years of service. He started his career in Vietnam as a door gunner on Hueys. He was shot down twice and went through a lot of bad $h1t. He has multiple Purple Hearts, scars - both physical and mental - and still carries shrapnel in his body.
I never went to war. I never shot anyone or was shot or even shot at. Didn't lose a limb or limbs or eyesight. Never suffered from PTSD. But, I did get money for college! You see my point?
There are a lot of people like my father who deserve to be recognized for their service. I'm not one of them. When I attend events, say a hokey game, where they want all vets to stand up so the crowd can applaud for them, I do not stand. I don't feel it's appropriate. Inevitably there are times when my service comes up and the response above is what I say when people are like, "Oh! Thank you for your service!"
I'm not ragging on anyone who is like me, but does accept praise or benefits for being a vet. I just cannot do it with a clear conscience.
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LTC Stephen F.
PO2 Matthew Mattox, I understand your position especially when you compare your service with your father's. I urge to realize that when we sign up for military service we will be used where "the service" needs us. I have had friends killed and injured in training as well as in combat. Each of serves where we are assigned and deploys or does not deploy based on the "wisdom" of the planners, personnel and assignment organizations. You are a veteran in the true sense of the word. When veterans stand we are not only representing ourselves but we also represent those who were killed and injured in combat and those who died in the centuries prior. I urge you not to consider your as honorable service to this nation - worth no less than your fathers - I think he would feel the same way and I expect he is proud that you served.
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Generally, my response would be along the lines of "kiss my ass", emphasized with a strong southern accent. Since I've practically lost said accent, it usually comes put when I'm highly upset.
The military was a big part of my life. It consumed over 10 of 16 adult years on this planet and I loved every minute of it (even the days I wasn't feeling well).
For the most part, anyone I've encountered have had nothing but positive things to say regarding my service. Some of it has led to questions about serving and even advice before leaving for their own tour of duty.
The military was a big part of my life. It consumed over 10 of 16 adult years on this planet and I loved every minute of it (even the days I wasn't feeling well).
For the most part, anyone I've encountered have had nothing but positive things to say regarding my service. Some of it has led to questions about serving and even advice before leaving for their own tour of duty.
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LTC Stephen F.
SSgt Charles Edwards. I am glad to learn that most people you have encountered have only had good things to say about your military service. I hope that trend continues for you and the rest of the men and women who are serving or have served. It is good that people are seeking your advice and that you are answering their questions. Thank you for your service to this nation.
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I have never run into this myself. BUT, should I ever run into this, I will beat their head in with a ballpeen hammer, starting at their ass! No, not really. I don't care WHAT they think of my assignments. I have received orders, Army, Army Guard, Air Guard, and Air Force. I have met all requirements of said orders to the best of my ability, done my duty, and pressed on as needed. I really don't care WHAT they think about where I have been and/or what I have done...that is for ME to evaluate after the fact. I will treat them with respect, allow them to voice their opinion, maybe/maybe not respond to this, but always in a respectful manner, and just understand they don't know the system and how it works. Press on peacefully if possible.
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LTC Stephen F.
Well the second sentence was over the top. Maj Chris Nelson, thanks for the humor. Hopefully you will not have to deal with ignorant and belligerent people who question your service and values.
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LTC Stephen F., I'm bordering on a very similar response to TSgt Hunter Logan's response. I do my best to treat everyone with respect, irregardless of their military status (or lack thereof). Civilians largely just don't understand us - where we've been or what we have been required to perform/endure. As the old saying goes, "It takes one to know one." This fits our veteran status perfectly. I treat civilian ignorance as a genuine opportunity to assist them in understanding one of our own.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thanks SSG Leonard J W. and TSgt Hunter Logan for doing your best to treat everyone else with respect. I expect that I was a rare civilian before I became a soldier I had been interested in the military and studied military history since before I was 10 years old.
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SSG Leonard J W.
LTC Stephen F., you most certainly must be an exception. I hated history, irregardless of its topics, until high school. Then I just hated it less - until I became a Noncom and started understanding its importance.
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Sir civilians are certainly on an entirely different plain. I have gone to schools in my early time in the Army 82nd airborne. I was sent home to do Hometown recruiting for the most part these kids were no younger than I. So to talk to them on a level of crucial maturity, meaning i had just returned from combat and i was probably more eager to defend the Colors than to talk. One young man challenged me saying all the things a at home go to school pampered little boy would say in opposing the Operation. But what got me the most is when he said i was wrong like the guys that went to Vietnam. Saying i had no business there killing people. All though what i done was probably wrong. I with force snatched by beret off took off my class A jacket off and all hell was about to break loose. Now Someone question me, well I don't have much to say to anyone that wants to down play what the American Servicemen and Women do or have done. They weren't there, any where peace time or not. They have no right to to remotely judge us. Peace.
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LTC Stephen F.
@SGT Edward Perez, it saddens me to know that you had to deal with brainwashed morons who questioned the validity of your service. It is on thing to disagree with our nations policies it is quite another thing to insult the people who execute our foreign policy whether with force or negotiation.
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At one point very early in my career, I was assigned to work at the base recycling center. Some civilians upon hearing this said "You joined the Navy to work at a recycling plant? You didn't have to do that!" To which I would explain "The Navy assigns me where I am most needed, and I bet I make more money than any civilian counterparts do." That normally shut them up.
Other people upon hearing what I did acted like I had the coolest job in the world, to which I would reply "Go speak to your nearest Navy recruiter and see if it's something you're interested in."
Other people upon hearing what I did acted like I had the coolest job in the world, to which I would reply "Go speak to your nearest Navy recruiter and see if it's something you're interested in."
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LTC Stephen F.
Thanks PO1 John Miller for both proving a great explanation of serving where we are needed and your recruiting efforts to those who show an interest.
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PO1 John Miller
Thank you too Sir (for whatever reason RP isn't letting me tag names today). And honestly, that was one of the most fun assignments I ever had in the Navy!
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LTC Stephen F.
PO1 John Miller, the tagging of names problem isn't limited to you. I found several people I could not tag today. I had saved your tag in my list of people who responded to some of my favorite questions. That is how I was able to tag you today.
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