Posted on Jun 4, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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SFC Randy Fisher
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I was stationed in Germany from '85-'89. To my understanding our commissary system sourced some fresh food items: dairy, meats, produce... within Europe, some of which came from Great Britain, which at that time had the problem of their livestock was infected with Mad Cow Disease. I donated blood previously, but after returning stateside I was told I could no longer donate due to my possible exposure from possibly consuming meat products from animals exposed to Mad Cow Disease. Since Mad Cow Disease is communicable to humans I was told I was possibly exposed, ...hence donating blood is no longer an option...
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding SFC Randy Fisher Like you I could also donate blood until the 1993-95 timeframe. I believe. The Mad Cow seemed to coincide with HIV as risks to blood.
The funding went to discover ensuring those with HIV could donate
Exposure to Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) confirmation or exclusion was not a high priority since it affects primarily veterans and our families.
One day I hope there will be a test to determine if we have Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); Right now only via autosypsy can we be determined if we were infected.
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SGM Frank Marsh
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in 65 in the far east I got Hep B, occupational hazard as a medic. even though I have converted and have strong antibodies against Hep B, I can no longer donate.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks SGM Frank Marsh for letting us know that you were infected by Hepatitis B while you were a medic in 1965. Hopefully you are not symptomatic for Hepatitis B and I hope one day you may be able to donate blood should you so desire.

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SPC Casey Ashfield
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I was denied from donating blood the first 2 years after I came back from my deployment. There was no telling how many pathogens I came into contact with working on wounded local nationals overseas, so I got tentative denials. Although I would probably get a lifetime denial as I have constant exposure to individuals with Hepatitis C at my civilian job.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for your service and treating/working on so many foreign nationals SPC Casey Ashfield. I am sorry your exposure to the potential infections has resulted in denial of your ability to donate blood.
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SPC Casey Ashfield
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LTC Stephen F. - The first time I ever donated blood was so I could know my blood type before going to BCT. I really hate needles and I didn't want to be stuck with a novice medic assigned to type my blood for dog tags. I donated 4 times in the 2 years between BCT and deployment. As much as I hate needles, I hate hearing about blood shortages more.
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SGT(P) Joe Zitzelberger
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I have two strikes against my blood.

I was stationed in Europe around the time they discovered the Mad Cow problem, but depending on when I try to give blood, sometimes they say I was there less than 6 months before it was ok, sometimes it isn't. The Red Cross has changed the dates a few times over the last few decades.

My second strike was "Did I live in Africa for more than 6 month" question. Well, yes, I was in Somalia in 1993-4, sometimes that question is there, sometimes not.

So when work does the semiannual blood drive, I always go and volunteer and answer their questions honestly. About half the time, they tell me my blood is ok. The other half of the time, I have to do a walk of shame past all my waiting coworkers who, I'm sure, are all wondering why I got rejected after the interview/questionnaire part.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks SGT(P) Joe Zitzelberger for letting us know that you are restricted from donating blood because:
1. you were stationed in Europe around the time they discovered the Mad Cow problem probably in 1996 since you said you were " there less than 6 months before it was ok."
2. you were in Somalia for over six months in the 1993- 1994 time frame.
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MAJ Alvin B.
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Can’t donate blood due to too many years in Northern Europe, so not permitted to give blood
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MAJ Alvin B.
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Exactly! The initial ban was for anyone who spent six or more months in the UK; them it expanded to most of Europe from 81 -86 early in the 2000s. I was declined after previously giving bloodI; that I no longer qualified.
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SGT Program Coordinator
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Never happened to me, they never ask me if I was a veteran, just if I was a Drug-gee.
I always ask them if that was a trick question, since my doctor prescribes me 9 different drugs to take daily.
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The only time we had beef was for breakfast with eggs. When we saw that breakfast, everyone said, "Wonder where we going." But we always had, Powered mashed potatos and eggs, the grits were good.
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SPC Martin Beasley
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A few years ago I attempted to donate plasma and was told about the risk of tainted blood from Mad Cow's disease. I had never heard of this before that time. Where can a veteran go for help?
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MAJ F. Patrick Filbert
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I fall in the same category. I used to give all the time and then Desert Storm happened and when you take the malaria pills they gave us were were "no give blood" status for a time. Then, a second "quarantine' went into effect due to the possibility of exposure to leishmaniasis. Then, the whole "mad cow" thing. Red Cross refuses to work up a test that doesn't involve killing me and since DOD follows the Red Cross's standards on blood, they instantly took out 100s of thousands now unable to give blood. If RC has come up with a way for HIV positive folks to give blood, please tell me why there isn't a way for the rest of us? Now, since vCJD is extremely rare (175 reported cases in Europe, US, Canada, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and Taiwan between 1996-2011: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs180/en/) the odds that US military actually have are are extremely low (only 3 cases in the US per the above stats and time period). Since "Researchers believe that the infectious agent that causes mad cow disease is an abnormal version of a protein normally found on cell surfaces, called a prion." I know I'm mystified as to why a test to detect it has yet to be developed; especially since the restriction for blood given went into effect nearly 23 years ago
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LTC Stephen F.
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I am sorry to learn that you too can't donate blood anymore MAJ F. Patrick Filbert. I hope that if enough us realize that we can't donate blood because there are no blood tests which confirm that we have or do not have Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) antibodies or the disease, that Congress will take appropriate action and assign a high enough priority with appropriate funding levels to develop the needed blood tests.
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MAJ F. Patrick Filbert
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LTC Stephen F. - I hear you; however, the constant 'new plan' related to the VA means getting the Red Cross to actually come up with a test is something that will never get done. But I haven't gotten a form letter from my Congressman "thanking me for my interest in...." lately so maybe I'll write a letter. :)
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I was born in Germany in '88 while my dad was stationed there. Came as a surprise when I tried to donate blood and got denied.
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LTC Stephen F.
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That is sad that just because you were born in Germany while your dad was stationed in Germany that you too can not donate blood SGT (Join to see)
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Yep stationed in Germany, cant give, i keep trying every couple of years but to date, its a NoGo.
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