Logic and Immigration Thoughts

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:18:41 -0500

Sometimes you can use logic to determine the truth. Sometimes it requires empirical data to prove the truth. The administration states we have a good vetting process for Muslim Immigrants using two pivotal actions. 1. They will interview folks from the country of origin. 2. They will use biometrics.

It sounds like a beautiful plan but do we have INS in Syria interviewing anyone? Nope. Biometrics is only as good as the database. Do we have a database of these refugees? Nope. So what do we have then? Nothing.

Response by TSgt David L. made Dec 10 at 2015 8:23 PM

TSgt David L. — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:23:53 -0500

How can we have a good vetting process when there is NO documentation on most of them. I doubt that there is any paperwork other than the forged passports they will use. We'll see I guess.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Dec 10 at 2015 9:04 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 21:04:46 -0500

Yup... Nothing at all...

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Dec 10 at 2015 9:17 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 21:17:14 -0500

Guess that we just ask them if they are terrorists of if they support terrorists and take their word for it. They wouldn't lie to us would they?

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2015 3:29 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:29:02 -0500

lol they will start calling you heartless and racist or Islamaphobia too. lol

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 11 at 2015 3:31 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:31:02 -0500

If they are not in the database, add them as a terrorist until they can prove otherwise......lol

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 11 at 2015 3:38 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:59 -0500

Sir devils advocate on this...what if there was a database used to catch biometrics and it just isn't thrown out so the media cracks can ruin it? I know when I was in the Stan Biometrics was used and were regularly sent up to higher for them to look at the info and to store it. Does everything have to be broadcasted for it to be in effect? Before RP explodes into a beat the fatman down, I'm being the devils advocate on this. I know it's extremely hard to keep any kind of secret in DC. Personally paper documentation is EASY to forge. If you doubt it look at some of the good stolen valor "troops" who have all the paper documentation to justify their 12MOH's. Biometrics are damn near impossible to fool without some SERIOUS plastic surgery. I don't think I could sit through all the facial reconstruction it would take to change the distance between my eyes, nose, and cheeks. I also know that ISIS has money, but to complete a surgery on that level, I don't think the recipient would be anywhere near the bottom of the terrorist food chain.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2015 3:50 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:50:13 -0500

Boom sauce Sir. We don't have a database for Syria. Considering how interviews are conducted here for security clearances I don't put any stock in interviewing a fellow Syrian to determine refugee status