Posted on Feb 5, 2015
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Should people who are medically retired from the service receive the same retirement certificate as those that did the required 20 years or more?

I felt compelled to edit my original post due to the inability of people to decipher its intended message. Nowhere in the original post was I recommending nor advocating diminishing the quality of anyone’s service, in fact I stated that those that served honorably deserve due recognition.
Unfortunately people were so passionate about the subject that they failed to realize that I was actually defending those that served honorably against those that are shirking the system in order to obtain medical retirement.
In short I was merely advocating a different retirement certificate for those that completed the requisite 20 years versus those that didn’t. This is no way makes the service any less valuable it merely allows people to differentiate. However the onslaught of down votes has only re-enforced the fact that voicing your opinion on social media is the fastest way to create a riot despite the failure of the intended targets ability to translate its content.
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LT James Minnis
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how about a purple heart heading
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Cpl Sabrina L.
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THIS IS ANOTHER FIGHT THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON..."MEDICALLY RETIRED" BEING TREATED AS 4TH CLASS CITIZENS...THOUGH IT WAS THEIR SERVICE THAT CAUSED THE MEDICAL RETIREMENT...UNABLE TO CONTINUE ON TO 20 YEARS OR MORE...WHERE THOSE WHO NEVER WERE "INJURED" OR "WOUNDED" IN PURSUIT OF A MISSION...ARE SOME HOW HERALDED AS "BETTER" BECAUSE THEY DID 20...

THIS CAN BE CHANGED BY THOSE WHO ARE ELECTED AND THOSE WHO MOVE/DO NOT MOVE THE "RIGHT" PEOPLE INTO MILITARY BILLETS SO THEY CAN BE USED AS PUPPETS~
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COL Charles Williams
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Service is service. Retirement is retirement, regardless of how or why you retired. They should be worded different; you are retired. Many Soldiers are medically retired, because the Army broke them... Wounded or just worn out, or lucky, we are all retired. I spent 33 years in the Army, so is my retirement better? I believe, we all should have the same retirement certificate.
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SFC William Farrell
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Why you see the need for a different retirement certificate is beyond me. You are retired due to length of service or you are retired due to injuries or medical boards or whatever, you are still retired. Retired is retired. You did you time, no matter how log it is and some paid a higher price for that retirement.

For those of you who retired due to length of service, thank you.

For those of you who retired due to medical disability, double thank you!
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yes
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I apologize in advance if this seems brash, but your post before your edit was quite and crystal clear. You firmly exuded that you did not believe a medical retirement under 20 years merited the same recognition as those who conpleted all 20.

You cannot honestly back pedal now and push the blame onto others for their "apparent" lack of understanding of your original intent. It is not their fault for the negative responses. That falls on you.

If you were truly trying to convey positive support for equal recognition for those who medically retire, the clear communication in your post was seriously lacking.
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Sir, I do not backpedal that was called editing for clarification. You cannot deny that message intent is often lost in the typed word versus the spoken.
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MSgt Timothy Johnson
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I immediately said to myself YES they should have a slightly different one. For the most part they are medically retired for an honorable reason beyond their control. Combat injuries and safety mishaps. Chemical contamination etc. Their certificate should have a small purple heart if earned for the injury requiring retirement. For other reasons maybe just have a red cross or a red heart somewhere on the form. I am sure it will take quit some time to have this issue run its course. Maybe the top line "certificate of retirement" can be in blue or some other appropriate color. Then again this should be asked to the honorable service members currently in this situation. Some may feel it is just another reminder of the actions that led to the retirement.
MY reasoning is that those who early retire for the above reasons have, I feel, made more of a sacrifice then I did making it to 22 years and no serious injuries. I look at it as an honor or a sacrifice beyond others. Like I said it needs to be asked to the ones who count.
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SFC Joey Jimenez
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After 24 years, 7 months and 12 days I was medically retired. Pushed too hard, too long and pushed through my disablities as long as I could. I was too stubborn to quit!
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TSgt David Holman
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Short answer... absolutely. People who are medically retired had the same obligations, made the same sacrifices, they shouldn't be "different" because they were injured/ill. Trust me, I can guarantee that those who are medically retired would have much rather served the full 20 than live with the pain that they go through day to day...
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SGT Cyrus Thompson
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amen to that 23 pills a day no appetite 3 hrs of sleep, headaches etc
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SSG Leonard Johnson
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nope...I'm both...over 20 and medically retired....only if u do 20
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SSG Infantryman
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I served 19 years, 10 months and was medically retired.. So what are you asking?
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SSG Sean Knudsen
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The obvious answer is YES, both should receive the same certificate.The obvious question is why segregate the two? Moreover, what would be of such importance to alienate those that are medically retired from service from those that made it to 20?
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MSgt Timothy Johnson
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Sorry if I misspeak. I look at it as a sacrifice above us who have made it to retirement without any serious injuries requiring a medical retirement. Please take a look at my reply above. Thanks MSgt Johnson.
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SFC Royce Williams
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I am like SFC Mark Merino. I spent 17 years bot blown up on my second tour. I fought to stay in me las few years even had two Major Generals write letters trying to get the DA to let me stay. I was told no an sent packing with 90% dissability. I don't give a damn what some certificate says I earned every thing I have and still have the same blue ID card and bennefits that I would have at 20 yrs
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MSgt Timothy Johnson
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I made it to 22 years without anything requiring a medical retirement. I respect your answer and humbly thank you for your service. I even wish I could go back. The way I looked at this question was "wow! sure it should be different" because! I feel you have sacrificed more than any of us that made it to retirement without requiring a medical retirement. I also ended that this should be asked of those who this refers to. You men and women are the important ones that should make this decision if it ever comes up. Again I thank you for your service.
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SSG Trevor S.
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As a 20 year retiree, I am honored to invite those who sacrificed more than me, received more injuries, and suffer currently from past service into the ranks of the "nearly geriatric".
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SGT Aaron Olivas
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Fun Fact of the Day I was Retired on the Same Day as this Photo.
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SGT Scott Bailey
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I'm medically retired. I was injured in the line of duty and have subsequently undergone surgery 26 times over 32 years. Something people never seem to think about is, we, or I, will never be able to obtain a real financially stable life and the 8 years I put in wont help me toward a regular retirement. I wanted to stay in. The Army was my life. But after trying everything I could to stay in, I received orders from Department of the Army that stated "there will be no more delays. You will proceed to the physical evaluation board on the date indicated". Well, in the 70s and 80's if you couldn't pass a PT test, you were out. I lost the use of my left leg when it was severed, then reattached. I would go back in right now if I could. I tried to sue my civilian doctor to lift some restrictions so I could work. But my lawyers advising doctor said he agreed with my doctor. So, here I am. Never able to get a retirement from any job. Where would I be without the Army? Our ability to have a productive life was given up for our Country. I agree, a lot abuse the system. But just like food stamps, kids would go hungry if the program was stopped because of a few bad apples. I will never be able to work to retirement and that is a HUGE loss for me. This is my story, thank you for trying to understand.
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PO3 John Jeter
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Most definitely YES they should! Service is Service. To differentiate in the type of retirement discharge certificate is to suggest a difference in merit.
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TSgt Manuel Perez
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No, they should recieve Disabled American Veteran certificate now if more than 15, that is different question.
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SGT Jim Z.
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SFC Steven Grudzinski, although I do not have a dog in this fight what about all the retirees that took the Early Retirement Plan (ERP) in the 90s do they deserve a different certificate then you with you beloved 20 years? I do believe that there needs to be separate certificates because retired is retired is retired and oh by the way it would be another poor admin clerk making a mistake and giving out the "wrong" certificate.
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SGT Jim Z.
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Still awaiting answer to my question SFC Steven Grudzinki what about the early retirement?
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Apparently people failed to understand that I wasn't saying that those medically retired didn't deserve recognition, I was saying it's not the same.
Any person who volunteers to serve is already a hero in my book but some, not all, but some don't do it honorably and whine and complain and play the system for every dime of disability they can get.
Those of you out there down voting me probably know some of those people faking the funk so they get more, or you may be one of them and took it personal. Yes I have done my 20 and if I retire I will get whatever is coming to me, but it hasn't been without injuries. I just chose to ruck up and move out and continue to serve as long as I can despite them.
Many of you probably complained about people receiving Bronze Stars down range for never leaving the wire over those that went out every day and patrolled saying it's not the same and they didn't deserve it.
Yet you are down voting me because I feel that the person who joined the Army 6 months ago and destroyed their knees playing football, or falling on a training exercise never deployed and is now facing an MEB should receive the same retired title as those of you served 20+?
I can live with that. You know why? Because I am saying what many of you out there are thinking or have said in the past but are too afraid to say here because you are more concerned with down votes than being honest.
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SSG Michael O'Malley
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I hear that you have been injured and that it is regretful. But to say that you simply rucked up and moved on shows that your injuries were not so sever that you were unfit for military service. In order to be retired due to medical reasons you must 1. Be found unfit for military service in EVERY MOS. and 2nd your injuries must be so severe that you will be at least 30% Service Connected disabled. Simply getting hurt playing football will not get you retired. This is why there is a Medical Evaluation Board and then a Physical Eval Board to weed out those who are still able to continue service (maybe just require an MOS change) and those that can't.
I am proud that you will receive a full retirement. But please let me share my personal experience for you and others.
I was in Iraq in 2009/2010 and contracted a Immune disease due to the burn pits and chemicals I was in contact with. This condition will never go away and it causes me daily pain and open sores that cover more than 80% of my body. It took me 2 years to even get a medical diagnosis and another 2 years of fighting the Military to prove that is was injured in iraq.I was a medic and I loved my career in the military but because of unforeseen circumstances my life was changed. Now I went thru medical boards that proved I could no longer serve in the military no matter the MOS because it would cause me greater harm and the military more money. Because of my injuries I was not simply given a check and out the door. I was given a retirement. No ceremony no parade just a dd214 and a certificate. I now fight with the VA on a weekly basis due to my medical issues. I do receive disability from the VA and from Social security. However I DO NOT receive a retirement check. Why? Because when you receive disability from the VA is offsets your military retirement check. For example I qualify for a total retirement check of $2281/mo I had 10 years of Military service. I receive 80% disability from the VA and have a spouse and 1 child get a check for $1775.48. my retirement check is now only $505.52. There are circumstances where you can get both but I'm not going into all that. The only retirement benefits I receive are my medical insurance and the ability to shop at the PX. I believe the biggest reason SMs are retired is because when you retire you are eligible for Tricare for Life. I think that is the least the military can due since the injuries were military related. If you want to get into it more I sure you can simply ask others.
Your new post seems to try and back track your original post. If you want to get down into the dirt about the differences then you are correct they are different but they are still a retirement are they not? Does it matter what a piece of paper says? Can you not simply be supportive of those who did not have a choice when they left the service?
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Sgt Jay Jones
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SFC Steven Grudzinski, I did not "down" vote you. I do not down vote anyone, no matter what. I would rather just express what's in my heart and head. I think you are letting what I prefer to call the "vocal" minority overshadow the moral majority. What I'm really trying to say is this, 20 year Retirements and Medical Retirements are processes that was created by man. ANYTHING that is created by man is not infallible. You have a certain percentage of individuals who will try to take advantage of any system and milk it for what ever they can. Apparantly they forgot the part about Duty, Honor, Country.

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SSG Sean Knudsen
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There are no medals or rank or years of service that can truelly describe the soul and heart of a veteran, only the compassion he or she has for their fellow veterans is the true light of their soul.
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SSG Adam Reed
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Someone made the comment of "Tri-Care for life for those that have retired". LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. For Guard and Reserve that only applies when you hit 60 years of age. I'm not sure about Active duty, so I won't speak for them. Anyway, I'm 46 and retired from the Reserves and my Tri-Care was stopped the day of my retirement. Even though it was paid in full for a few months because of my up and coming knee surgery. I was told i could keep it but it would be $900+ a month. WTF, who can afford that. Please check all the facts and figures before retiring. You may find you are better off not retiring. Ask me how I know.
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