Posted on Jan 8, 2021
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For the Air Force combat veteran who was killed during the protest/riot, what is the appropriate response from current uniformed soldiers, and is there any policy regarding this? Also, will she receive or be eligible for military funeral honors?
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You mean the traitor who was killed while engaged in a failed act of sedition, i.e. staging a coup? Posthumous dishonorable discharge seems appropriate.
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Ok. I can see you are willfully ignorant to thr truth and are blindly swallowing whatever Don Lemon crams down your throat. One thing I have learned overseas and here is people like you are ideologues and cant be confused with the facts. SFC (Join to see)
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CPT(P) (Join to see) -
Got it. You're right, everyone else is wrong.
The FACT is that lawyers, judges and IA committee, the experts, have determined that the officer was correct in his actions.
But don't let those facts get in the way of your opinions.
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You’re the type that excused Hillary, Obama, and Biden for their wrongs because you’re so obsessed with thr approval of your political party you can see anything for what it is. Me? I’ll go off what I saw on video with my own eyes. You’re a true believer and whatever the report says cannot possibly be politically motivated. I mean there’s only been case after case of government agents working politics over facts. But whatever. Certainly not here. SFC (Join to see)
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Ah. We've come to the insults and conspiracy theories... You could have just started with that and not wasted my time.
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1. Regardless the circumstances of her death, what is the problem, We lose a sister who served honorably. 2. Since she was nor and can not be tried with any offense, then she would indeed by eligible for all military honors. 3. Hell fire kid, we don't even have a good read on what happened yet, except she was inside,in the wrong.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
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PO1 Charles Smith - "Name me a country where these "tourists" would not have been slammed hard for their actions...oh yeah white folk in the USA."

BLM members in the USA got treated even better, our VP even helped keep them from spending any time in jail - so that is a flat out lie - and a racist one.

Take your racism somewhere else.
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PO1 Charles Smith
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - take your BS elsewhere. I cannot find any of your statements about BLM; at least provide citations. You did not cite a country. As I am a white/native American person, how do you call me a racist?
prove it is a lie as far as I can see YOU ARE THE RACIST LIAR.
As far as your bs rant in this thread, look at the videos. And find it yourself, as I am tired and bored of you and your Ilk trying to justify criminal behavior, AS SOME CHAPTERS OF BLM DO!
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
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PO1 Charles Smith - Oh, you think that your skin color is what determines whether or not you are racist?

Stupid and racist - a winning combo.

BLM and Antifa activists, and activits from otehr grousp affiliated or supporting BLM (especially) and Antifa, who committed similar crimes to Babbitt's misdemeanor trespassing, or even more serious crimes, such as vandalism, looting, and arson, have routinely been released without being charged. They certainly were not shot for simply trespassing during a protest.
Since not all BLM and Antifa activists and protesters are black, this may have less to do with race than it has to do with partisan bias. Both BLM and Antifa are "progressive" illiberal leftist terrorist grousp that are supported by, and aligned with elements of the Democrat party. In most cases, the favored treatment that they receive from government agencies is probably more aboput their partisan affiliation than their skin color. But they, and affiliated groups, do make skin color a huge part of their talking points.
Similarly, not all of the January 6th protesters were white - despite the raicst claims made by many racists, who can't wrap their racism addled brains around the fact that the January 6th protests were not about race.

"Activists in Minneapolis are demanding all charges be dropped against those who protested against police brutality and racism in the year since George Floyd was murdered, saying the arrests are an attempt to clamp down on dissent."
Arresting a black protester is an attempt to silence free speech, but shooting a white female protester... that's completely okay.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/26/activists-drop-all-charges-dropped-against-minneapolis-protesters

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/ [login to see] 91-91-of-portland-protest-arrests-not-being-prosecuted

"Braxton with Black Unity PDX told KOIN 6 News in December. "Their jail is too small. They don't have room for that many people and the DA isn't prosecuting anymore. So we won that, too."

Braxton hasn't been arrested at the protests, but said he knows many people who have. He described PPB's process as "BS."

"They just arrest you, you get let out in the morning, depending on how much they hate you they'll either let you out at like 3 a.m. or like 9 a.m.," he said. "Like if there's somebody who always yells at them and they know you, then you're not getting out until sometimes the afternoon."

First timers or people who aren't being "obnoxious" often get let out right away, Braxton observed."

Wouldn't it be nice if Babbitt had teh luxury of being arrested, and then quickly relaesed, as a 'first time offender'?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3123181/hundreds-blm-rioters-looters-vandals-charges-dropped/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/no-charges-for-many-arrested-at-ongoing-portland-protests/2020/08/12/e3a3923c-dc59-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost-half-of-federal-cases-against-portland-rioters-have-been-dismissed [login to see] 9

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/protests/dc-attorney-general-wont-pursue-charges-against-any-of-194-blm-black-lives-matter-protestors-arrested-on-swann-street-last-year/65-5b36eac6-bb2a-4006-91e4-68155ad04724

"19 were convicted on lesser counts like trespassing, which carries no jail time, the report said." Trespassing, the crime that carried a death sentence - without any due process - for Babbitt.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/20/hundreds-of-nyc-rioters-looters-have-charges-dropped/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/protests-lawsuits-arrests.html



Let's compare Ashley Babbitt and George Floyd.

Floyd, a career felon, was caught and arrested coimmittinga felony. He was under the influence of illegal drugs at the time. He resisted arrest, and officers allowed him to get out of the vehicle and lie on the sidewalk instead. While he was on the sidewalk, he died of asphyxiation that was at least partially caused by overdosing on drugs (medical testimony at officer's trial), but whoich police were blamed for because for a brief moment during the restraint process, his airway may have been in contact with an officer's knee (again, from testimony at officer's trial). The officer and other officers who were at the scene were all suspended within the first week. Everyone knew the officer's name, and was able to look into his social media and otehr background, within a few days of the incident.
Based more on on public outcry than on evidence, or any actual interest in justice, the officer was arrested, charged, and convicted of two counts of murder and one count of manslaughter (that means the court found that he had killed three George Floyds), and sentenced to 22.5 years in prison. That whole trial was concluded within 13 months of Floyd's death.
Floyd's family received $27 million from the city.
This is how the death of a black felon in police custody is treated in the USA.

Babbitt, a military veteran with a clean criminal record, committed an act of misdemanor trespass as part of a political rally aimed at getting the attention of congressmembers. She was shot - without warning or provocation. Over eight months later, the officer who shot her has not been suspended, publicly investigated, or tried for his actions. Her family is still trying to get information released so that they can pursue a lawsuit against the officer and department.

Floyd, a black man, committed a felony. He was a career criminal with multipel felony convictions. He died as a result of negligence in that the police who arrested him did not believe him when he said he was having trouble breathing. This resulted in the officer most closely involved to be found guilty of killing Floyd (Murder), killing Floyd (Murder), and killing Floyd (Manslaughter). Babbitt, a white woman, committed a misdemanor of a type that is often not prosecuted (thousands of BLM and Antifa protesters were nto charged with criminal trespass that they committed during "political protests" in the 12 months preceding Babbitt's execution). Babbitt was summarily executed for her actions. She was not detained. Not taken into custody. Had no chance to claim that she was having trouble breathing. She was summarily executed. She was unarmed, and presneted no credibel trheat to anyone. Other police nearby did not feel threatened by her, and did not respond to her actions - only one cop did - and he violated just about every use of force protocol in existence in doing so. His identity has been hidden. The "investigation:" into his actiosn was conducted in secret, without public access to the evidence presented, the witnesses, or any other information. He has not been removed form the department. He is not in jail. He has not been charged. He is not in prison. His agency, with partisan political support, is blocking her family's legal team form gaininga ccess to information that would assits in their lawsuit againt the LEO and LEA involved. Her family has not received $27 million.

Yet you claim that "white folk in the USA" are not being slammed for minor violations like trespassing during a protest.

Ashli Babbitt was murdered for exercising her basic civil right to protest - to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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PO1 Charles Smith
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - read up; in protests of all kinds throughout American history the majority of arrests during protests of all kinds the majority of arrests do not lead to charges. Most of those charged are not charged with felonies. as for the looting and arson, there was no proof that those arrested for it had done it... due process yah know.
BLM now consists of 30 chapters with no connecting structure; many of them could care less about floyd. Antifa is a Russian generated grouping, again with no structure. I do not condone any violence during a protest and have followed how peaceful protests by BLM persons were met with violence even without them being violent; now most of the protests staged during daylight hours are non violent, with violence beginning after sunset, an age old story of deliberate violence to obscure criminal intent.
comparing Floyd with Babbitt is comparing apples with oranges. Floyd was in cuffs when he was abused. that he was white or black makes no difference, what was done to him was wrong.
"Name me a country where these "tourists" would not have been slammed hard for their actions...oh yeah white folk in the USA." is what i typed, NOT "Yet you claim that "white folk in the USA" are not being slammed for minor violations like trespassing during a protest." If that had been a BLM protest, you would have been rooting for the officers to shoot them all. In almost any other country, there would have been a lot more protesters dead.
As for Babbitt, https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/
look at it. I am betting that you would have been shooting earlier than the capital police were. And others on her side of the door heard that officers were threatening to shoot if they did not stop. She id dead because she was stupid. I wish she was alive.
One thing to remember; there were more police officer with serious injuries from 6JAN than from any single BLM protest.... and I do not know of any antifa protests, only antifa counter-protesters.
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However you want to respond. In my opinion, play stupid games...

Why wouldn't she be eligible for military honors? Was she dishonorably discharged? If not, then she'll get military honors if she's eligible.
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SPC Christopher Fisher
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I hope to God you're joking by calling Milley a soldier's soldier, Sanford. General "I need to learn about white rage" is clearly an establishment politician's soldier. Everyone serving today should be absolutely ashamed that he's the man in charge of the collective armed forces. Hell, I'm not currently serving and I'm still ashamed by proxy. The absolute shitshow that was our departure from Afghanistan is sickening and infuriating to an extent that I still can't process, to say nothing of the people who've lost friends and family to that war.
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SGT Warren Crutcher
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PFC Andy Sanford - First off you need to do some actual research before posting such BS. Those people at the Church were gassed by the DC Police to get them cleared out so they could investigate the crime scene. It had nothing to do with a Photo op for Trump. The Mayor of DC is the one who ordered it. General Milley's statement was a purely politically driven statement solely for optics because he knew once Trump was out of office, If he would have sided with Trump he would have been replaced with another general who would gladly be a Biden ass kisser.
After the Afghanistan surrender, Because we need to call it what it really was, and the failed So called Over the Horizon disaster of only killing Civilian Humanitarians and their children, Milley should be fired. The real Insurrection occured not on Jan. 6th but in Afghanistan.
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PO1 William Van Syckle
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WOW! I cannot believe how blood thirsty some of the communist democrats on here are. They will shoot to kill an unarmed person who wasn’t a threat, who’s only crime is trying to climb into a broken window. Pathetic. Just pure and simple, Pathetic. May God have Mercy on your souls…..
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PO1 Charles Smith
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PO1 William Van Syckle - get a grip. Unarmed does not equal not a threat. climbing through a window when someone has said stop that or i will shoot is just plain dumb
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