Posted on Jan 8, 2021
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For the Air Force combat veteran who was killed during the protest/riot, what is the appropriate response from current uniformed soldiers, and is there any policy regarding this? Also, will she receive or be eligible for military funeral honors?
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You mean the traitor who was killed while engaged in a failed act of sedition, i.e. staging a coup? Posthumous dishonorable discharge seems appropriate.
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
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Capt Gregory Prickett - It is likely that he will be suing and winning against all the corporate media outlets that made out-and-out defamatory statements against him, both before the trial and after he was acquitted. Since some of them also had to pay out large amounts (we don't know exactly how much) in the Sandmann case and they chose to go ahead with this tactic again, it seems likely that a judge would add in some for punitive purposes.
That's aside from possible lawsuits against legislators and Joe Biden, who made his defamatory declarations before he was President* so he won't be able to hide behind any immunity from the office.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins - Are you aware of the hurdles that he would have to clear for that to happen? First, he's a public figure, and he admitted that he killed two, wounded a third, and shot at a fourth. Second, most of the so-called defamatory statements were statements of opinion, which are not actionable. Third, in the Sandmann case, there was nothing that the papers could grasp at for support AND you are forgetting that a judge initially dismissed Sandmann's claim, before letting it proceed on only 3 of the 33 original claims.

Fourth, Rittenhouse doesn't have near the case that Sandmann did. Remember, he admitted to shooting those people. Self-defense is a question of fact to be decided by a jury, and it's not defamation to disbelieve a claim of self-defense. Fifth, Rittenhouse can't sue Congress critters for statements that they made about the shooting, it'll will never get past the Speech & Debate clause immunity (see Wuterich v. Murtha, 562 F. 3d 375, (DC Cir. 2009)).

Sixth, how do you show actual malice? That's what you'll have to show. Seventh, even if he gets a settlement, what happens in the wrongful death suits that have been filed or which will be filed? A criminal acquittal doesn't prevent him from being found liable in the civil case.

You're assuming an awful lot.
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CPT Robert Huddleston
CPT Robert Huddleston
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You should not make accusations that you are not able prove. PFC Andy Sanford
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CPT Robert Huddleston
CPT Robert Huddleston
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I’m wondering, have you seen the video of the Force Used at the time of the incident? The Capital Police Officer who shot Babbitt certainly was not justified in deadly force st that point. By any means.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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1. Regardless the circumstances of her death, what is the problem, We lose a sister who served honorably. 2. Since she was nor and can not be tried with any offense, then she would indeed by eligible for all military honors. 3. Hell fire kid, we don't even have a good read on what happened yet, except she was inside,in the wrong.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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PO1 Charles Smith - Oh, you think that your skin color is what determines whether or not you are racist?

Stupid and racist - a winning combo.

BLM and Antifa activists, and activits from otehr grousp affiliated or supporting BLM (especially) and Antifa, who committed similar crimes to Babbitt's misdemeanor trespassing, or even more serious crimes, such as vandalism, looting, and arson, have routinely been released without being charged. They certainly were not shot for simply trespassing during a protest.
Since not all BLM and Antifa activists and protesters are black, this may have less to do with race than it has to do with partisan bias. Both BLM and Antifa are "progressive" illiberal leftist terrorist grousp that are supported by, and aligned with elements of the Democrat party. In most cases, the favored treatment that they receive from government agencies is probably more aboput their partisan affiliation than their skin color. But they, and affiliated groups, do make skin color a huge part of their talking points.
Similarly, not all of the January 6th protesters were white - despite the raicst claims made by many racists, who can't wrap their racism addled brains around the fact that the January 6th protests were not about race.

"Activists in Minneapolis are demanding all charges be dropped against those who protested against police brutality and racism in the year since George Floyd was murdered, saying the arrests are an attempt to clamp down on dissent."
Arresting a black protester is an attempt to silence free speech, but shooting a white female protester... that's completely okay.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/26/activists-drop-all-charges-dropped-against-minneapolis-protesters

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/ [login to see] 91-91-of-portland-protest-arrests-not-being-prosecuted

"Braxton with Black Unity PDX told KOIN 6 News in December. "Their jail is too small. They don't have room for that many people and the DA isn't prosecuting anymore. So we won that, too."

Braxton hasn't been arrested at the protests, but said he knows many people who have. He described PPB's process as "BS."

"They just arrest you, you get let out in the morning, depending on how much they hate you they'll either let you out at like 3 a.m. or like 9 a.m.," he said. "Like if there's somebody who always yells at them and they know you, then you're not getting out until sometimes the afternoon."

First timers or people who aren't being "obnoxious" often get let out right away, Braxton observed."

Wouldn't it be nice if Babbitt had teh luxury of being arrested, and then quickly relaesed, as a 'first time offender'?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3123181/hundreds-blm-rioters-looters-vandals-charges-dropped/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/no-charges-for-many-arrested-at-ongoing-portland-protests/2020/08/12/e3a3923c-dc59-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost-half-of-federal-cases-against-portland-rioters-have-been-dismissed [login to see] 9

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/protests/dc-attorney-general-wont-pursue-charges-against-any-of-194-blm-black-lives-matter-protestors-arrested-on-swann-street-last-year/65-5b36eac6-bb2a-4006-91e4-68155ad04724

"19 were convicted on lesser counts like trespassing, which carries no jail time, the report said." Trespassing, the crime that carried a death sentence - without any due process - for Babbitt.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/20/hundreds-of-nyc-rioters-looters-have-charges-dropped/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/protests-lawsuits-arrests.html



Let's compare Ashley Babbitt and George Floyd.

Floyd, a career felon, was caught and arrested coimmittinga felony. He was under the influence of illegal drugs at the time. He resisted arrest, and officers allowed him to get out of the vehicle and lie on the sidewalk instead. While he was on the sidewalk, he died of asphyxiation that was at least partially caused by overdosing on drugs (medical testimony at officer's trial), but whoich police were blamed for because for a brief moment during the restraint process, his airway may have been in contact with an officer's knee (again, from testimony at officer's trial). The officer and other officers who were at the scene were all suspended within the first week. Everyone knew the officer's name, and was able to look into his social media and otehr background, within a few days of the incident.
Based more on on public outcry than on evidence, or any actual interest in justice, the officer was arrested, charged, and convicted of two counts of murder and one count of manslaughter (that means the court found that he had killed three George Floyds), and sentenced to 22.5 years in prison. That whole trial was concluded within 13 months of Floyd's death.
Floyd's family received $27 million from the city.
This is how the death of a black felon in police custody is treated in the USA.

Babbitt, a military veteran with a clean criminal record, committed an act of misdemanor trespass as part of a political rally aimed at getting the attention of congressmembers. She was shot - without warning or provocation. Over eight months later, the officer who shot her has not been suspended, publicly investigated, or tried for his actions. Her family is still trying to get information released so that they can pursue a lawsuit against the officer and department.

Floyd, a black man, committed a felony. He was a career criminal with multipel felony convictions. He died as a result of negligence in that the police who arrested him did not believe him when he said he was having trouble breathing. This resulted in the officer most closely involved to be found guilty of killing Floyd (Murder), killing Floyd (Murder), and killing Floyd (Manslaughter). Babbitt, a white woman, committed a misdemanor of a type that is often not prosecuted (thousands of BLM and Antifa protesters were nto charged with criminal trespass that they committed during "political protests" in the 12 months preceding Babbitt's execution). Babbitt was summarily executed for her actions. She was not detained. Not taken into custody. Had no chance to claim that she was having trouble breathing. She was summarily executed. She was unarmed, and presneted no credibel trheat to anyone. Other police nearby did not feel threatened by her, and did not respond to her actions - only one cop did - and he violated just about every use of force protocol in existence in doing so. His identity has been hidden. The "investigation:" into his actiosn was conducted in secret, without public access to the evidence presented, the witnesses, or any other information. He has not been removed form the department. He is not in jail. He has not been charged. He is not in prison. His agency, with partisan political support, is blocking her family's legal team form gaininga ccess to information that would assits in their lawsuit againt the LEO and LEA involved. Her family has not received $27 million.

Yet you claim that "white folk in the USA" are not being slammed for minor violations like trespassing during a protest.

Ashli Babbitt was murdered for exercising her basic civil right to protest - to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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PO1 Charles Smith
PO1 Charles Smith
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - read up; in protests of all kinds throughout American history the majority of arrests during protests of all kinds the majority of arrests do not lead to charges. Most of those charged are not charged with felonies. as for the looting and arson, there was no proof that those arrested for it had done it... due process yah know.
BLM now consists of 30 chapters with no connecting structure; many of them could care less about floyd. Antifa is a Russian generated grouping, again with no structure. I do not condone any violence during a protest and have followed how peaceful protests by BLM persons were met with violence even without them being violent; now most of the protests staged during daylight hours are non violent, with violence beginning after sunset, an age old story of deliberate violence to obscure criminal intent.
comparing Floyd with Babbitt is comparing apples with oranges. Floyd was in cuffs when he was abused. that he was white or black makes no difference, what was done to him was wrong.
"Name me a country where these "tourists" would not have been slammed hard for their actions...oh yeah white folk in the USA." is what i typed, NOT "Yet you claim that "white folk in the USA" are not being slammed for minor violations like trespassing during a protest." If that had been a BLM protest, you would have been rooting for the officers to shoot them all. In almost any other country, there would have been a lot more protesters dead.
As for Babbitt, https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/
look at it. I am betting that you would have been shooting earlier than the capital police were. And others on her side of the door heard that officers were threatening to shoot if they did not stop. She id dead because she was stupid. I wish she was alive.
One thing to remember; there were more police officer with serious injuries from 6JAN than from any single BLM protest.... and I do not know of any antifa protests, only antifa counter-protesters.
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SPC Daniel Dresen
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So trespass with intent to commit violence is acceptable these days? Man, guess I should have punched Trump 2 years ago while I was in DC since assaulting officers and vandalizing government buildings is honorable to you. And people wonder why I've withdrawn from the veteran community. It's dirtbags like you!
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SGM Bill Frazer
SGM Bill Frazer
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Dan who in the hell are you yelling at?
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However you want to respond. In my opinion, play stupid games...

Why wouldn't she be eligible for military honors? Was she dishonorably discharged? If not, then she'll get military honors if she's eligible.
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PO1 William Van Syckle
PO1 William Van Syckle
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WOW! I cannot believe how blood thirsty some of the communist democrats on here are. They will shoot to kill an unarmed person who wasn’t a threat, who’s only crime is trying to climb into a broken window. Pathetic. Just pure and simple, Pathetic. May God have Mercy on your souls…..
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PO1 Charles Smith
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PO1 William Van Syckle - get a grip. Unarmed does not equal not a threat. climbing through a window when someone has said stop that or i will shoot is just plain dumb
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SFC Howard Holmes
SFC Howard Holmes
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She was unarmed, she was not a direct threat, she was in the commission of a misdemeanor, Criminal Trespassing (at the worst), and she was shot by a guy that had left his weapon in a public bathroom, and is hardly known for his discretion. Deadly use of force is to stop the commission of a violent felony, or when there is a direct threat of death or serious bodily harm. There is so much more to this entire thing, but people are going to believe what they are going to believe no matter what evidence is presented. It's like there are still people in Trump's collusion with Russia, or that Biden is in his right mind, no matter how many gaffes he makes; or how he has destroyed boarder security; is indirectly responsible for 13 dead brothers and sisters in Afghanistan; or how he promised not ONE American will be left behind during the pullout - yet there are hundreds if not a couple of thousand still there; or how he promised he would not impose mandates for the vaccination; or what he's doing to the economy and his cabinet's lack of response to the supply chain. He has not done ONE good thing without some major failure and yet people believe in him. ANTIFA loves him, yet they do not call them criminals or treasonous, though they are Marists.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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SFC Howard Holmes - She was in commission of a violent felony, not a misdemeanor.
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