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The British were heavy handed in the foreign governments. They fought the kinetic fight, but also killed, starved, tortured, and imprisoned the insurgency base of support to win insurgencies. We are angels compared to the Brits. The took away the desire or instilled the fear of god into the insurgent. Are we too nice?
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This sounds like a post from Lyndon Larouche who considered the British to be the source of all world evil. I have studied history for about 50 years and you are the first person besides Larouche [presidential candidate and jailbird] who has come down so hard of the British. British foreign rule relied heavily on indigenous civil servants and military forces using a small cadre of British troops in each colony. This was the only way that small nation could maintain an empire that stretches around the world with most former colonies willingly part of the British Commonwealth of nations. On the other hand the Portuguese and Belgians were notorious for their treatment of indigenous populations. The French and Spanish lost most of their colonies in conflict. The British generally transferred their colonies over to the indigenous populations - most notable exception is our nation which consisted primarily of european colonists versus the indigenous populations of most of the rest of the British Empire and Commonwealth of Nations.
Which counterinsurgency conflicts are you talking about: Malaysia; versus the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya; against the whirling dervishes in Sudan; or against the Boers in South Africa MAJ Ken Landgren?
COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SGT Robert Hawks SGT (Join to see) SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT SGT Forrest Stewart SPC (Join to see) SrA Christopher Wright
Which counterinsurgency conflicts are you talking about: Malaysia; versus the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya; against the whirling dervishes in Sudan; or against the Boers in South Africa MAJ Ken Landgren?
COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SGT Robert Hawks SGT (Join to see) SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT SGT Forrest Stewart SPC (Join to see) SrA Christopher Wright
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SSgt Robert Marx
My understanding of British imperial policy was that it was congenial towards the local populations, it tried to encourage the exodus of surplus populations at home toward the colonies, but at heart it condescended the right of indigenous people to self government. "The white man's burden" as stipulated by Kipling was that the European would govern the "lesser people" in a benign arrangement. The British would allow the subject people to form government agencies but all foreign policy and defense matters would be determined out of London. Liberty with a voice in parliament simply was never allowed. To my mind such a condescending arrangement benefitted the imperial master with mercantile trade policies but the local people were left hanging. Self-government is given to all of humanity by the Lord God who divided all of humanity into ethnic divides by the determinate counsel of His holy will. God gifted humanity with the gift of His image which means that all men are at a default setting able to self govern in their respective territories. It is at best immoral and at worst stealing for one nation to impose its will upon a subject people because the latter could not resist military.
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LTC Stephen F.
MAJ Ken Landgren - You realize that the Malaysian Emergency counterinsurgency campaign is one of the three successful counterinsurgency campaign in the 20th century along with the defeat in the early 20th century in the Philippine s of the Moro Muslims and the Peruvian defeat of the Shining Path. Successful counterinsurgency operations tend to be all or nothing campaigns. Examples of failed campaigns include Vietnam [French then US and allies], Algeria [French], Iraq, Afghanistan [British in 1919, Russia in 1980s and the US and allies]. The US of old the British of old and the Peruvians knew how to deal with insurgencies which are a form of total warfare. One of the main reasons we are unsuccessful is that we do not have the stomach. endurance or national will to fight a successful counterinsurgency to its finish. SSgt Robert Marx SrA Christopher Wright SN Greg Wright COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SSgt Robert Marx
I think your statement is correct, LTC Stephen Ford. The American way of war is skewed against insurgency, possibly due to our national history.
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Well, one must remember that the Brits did most of their counterinsurgency under the guise of "Empire" which means they believed they owned the land they were conducting COIN in. That in itself lends to a little bit different mindset than doing COIN in a country where we were "asked" to help in.
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