Posted on Dec 17, 2014
Would you support a standard uniform for all branches of service? Why or Why not?
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I'd just be scared of what group of morons would decide the pattern. We might end up all wearing that pink and purple camo.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
I was a recruiter myself. They were preparing you for your future sales position. One of the lessons of sales is to know that's not the product that sales, it's how you present it. I heard the top 10% line myself. what they really mean is they have slots for 10% of your MOS to fill. After they fill deploying units, operational units, and cut out the unqualified personnel (medical, moral, legal, etc. problems), and count off the ones already on special duty, you may be the top 10% of who's left. Your classmates may even make the cut
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It always gave me a laugh. Especially looking at other branches. The Air Force competes for the job while we get dragged there kicking and screaming.
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Pink and purple! Well, ya never know. There may be a battle in a funhouse or something one day.
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Supposed to be one team one fight right?
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA If this happened, then what would the military industrial complex (uniform makers) do? they'd go broke, the U.S. Military could save tons of money or put it to better use. How dare you bring up something so sensible!! I almost down voted you for making such a statement!!
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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I like the idea of a common combat/field uniform with branch specific rank etc. Each branch, by all means, should keep their unique dress uniforms.
Seems like a common combat/field uniform would simplify the procurement process and possibly reduce DoD budget since they would not have to rely on multiple vendors for several different uniforms. I like either the ACU or MARPAT, from what I have read the AF goes to ACU's when deployed anyway.
Seems like a common combat/field uniform would simplify the procurement process and possibly reduce DoD budget since they would not have to rely on multiple vendors for several different uniforms. I like either the ACU or MARPAT, from what I have read the AF goes to ACU's when deployed anyway.
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As long as the Marines and the Navy get to keep an eight-pointed utility cover, I'd be fine if the rest was the same for field uniforms. I was never a fan of the Army/Air force version.
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When issued, Navy wore the same BDU's as everybody else back in the 80's & 90's. I agree that we need to keep the eight point hat though.
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CSM Charles Hayden
In 1953, a Cap, HBT, Utility: 8 pointed cover was issued to me by the USA @ Ft Ord. I soon learned to 'block' it by hacking a piece of cardboard into the 8 points as a
block/ stiffener.
block/ stiffener.
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From a economic, logistic and functional standpoint, yes having a common field uniform is the way to go. Service individuality/pride is adequately expressed by service and dress uniforms.
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Wow our memories are short, or we've really just turned over that many personnel! The BDU and DCU were common uniforms, and I don't think the basic flight suit varies between services either except for rank insignia and patches. This isn't a far out concept here. For in garrison work I get it - personally I think it's silly to wear anything camo'd up in an office, always have, but unless we're willing to go even further back and put everyone in olive drab fatigues (the old pickle suit), let's just pick something and stay with it for utilities. Dress uniforms, let's just stop obsessing over this already.
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While over the years they have been many efforts at cross service standardization most of those efforts fail. Why? Because each branch of the service has its own unique culture and prioritization of values. The bottom line each branch is going to wear what it wants to wear. The Marines are never going to adopt a uniform from the Army because they want to look like Marines and not Soldiers. (Whom they consider an lower order of being.) The Air Force wants their own look so that's why they wear green boots when Army boots (for now) are tan or "coyote brown" (whatever that is).
Is the Navy going to abandon its white uniforms because none of the other services have them? No. Robert Redford made sure that the service dress "choker" whites for Navy officers would be around for another 100 years in the movie "The Way We Were" in 1973. (How many fashions which were cool in 1973 are still cool today? Plaid men's shirts? PLEAASSSEE!) The Marine Corps dress blues are probably the closest thing to fashion perfection ever invented and will NEVER change.
Sure, there's some room for standardization in the area of utility/combat uniforms. But, again, the problem is that one service doesn't want to be like the other.
Sooo.... After they spend 6 trillion dollars on the F-35 and have built only 100 of them before the cancel the program. They will realize that trying to build a "one size fits all" jet fighter doesn't work.
Let each service handle its own procurement and it will cost less in the long run.
Is the Navy going to abandon its white uniforms because none of the other services have them? No. Robert Redford made sure that the service dress "choker" whites for Navy officers would be around for another 100 years in the movie "The Way We Were" in 1973. (How many fashions which were cool in 1973 are still cool today? Plaid men's shirts? PLEAASSSEE!) The Marine Corps dress blues are probably the closest thing to fashion perfection ever invented and will NEVER change.
Sure, there's some room for standardization in the area of utility/combat uniforms. But, again, the problem is that one service doesn't want to be like the other.
Sooo.... After they spend 6 trillion dollars on the F-35 and have built only 100 of them before the cancel the program. They will realize that trying to build a "one size fits all" jet fighter doesn't work.
Let each service handle its own procurement and it will cost less in the long run.
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I for one have worn the pickle suit, the woodland camo, at that time the utility uniform was universal across the services. Then the 5 services went insane and each service developed their service specific utility uniforms. What a WASTE!!!!! We are short of money for almost everything, weapons, vehicles, maintenance, pay, bonuses, to name a few! But we allocate money for a committee to develop a service specific utility uniform and field gear. I was in the Air Guard for a time, I picked up a surplus Air Force Arctic Parka, My brother joined the Navy and became a submariner. He was in New London pulling deck watch,and freezing. We were talking on the phone and he asked about my parka. I told him I still had it, he asked me to send it to him. I did and the deck watch used it to keep warm. He was talking with me later and said I wish I had the stock number for that parka, I told him it was on the label inside the collar. He attempted to order some parkas for the sub deck watch, the requisition got to base supply, and was turned back, Air Force item not authorized for the Navy. The Navy has a similar item for Navy use. It was not the same nor as warm. I would recommend a joint service committee to develop utility and field equipment. I would make sure all specifications were necessary. Case in point I was aware of a butcher's apron, duck cloth with RED STITCHING. These were used to cut meat for cooking, they are used to protect the cooks uniform from getting bloodied up. The stitching is only a means to assure that a certain provider gets the contract! The Army 2 piece rain suit specified a SILK label to assure the correct contractor was awarded the contract! All specifications should be checked for necessity, and make sure that it does not circumvent the Competitive Bid process!
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This is a terrible, being a Marine, we like the fact that we are different. You can tell a Marine by the care of his/her uniform and telling us to wear the same uniform as another branch doesn't do us any justice. Enemies see marpat green/desert and know that hell is coming. We don't want to be associated with another branch
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We never should have gotten away from it. The Marines started it then all of the other services had to jump in. Such a waste of resources...and we cry poverty when it comes to training dollars and O/M money.
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Answer: Yes, provided the camouflage actually blends in all environments were the forces are operating.
Reason: Cost savings to the tax payers. Yeah, it's that simple.
Reason: Cost savings to the tax payers. Yeah, it's that simple.
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I think of pride in the branch of service an individual enters in when I think of something like this. I agree with those who say they wouldn't support something like this.
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No, not unless in a common operational area.
All things aside, I think we tend to take pride in being clearly distinguished from other services. Granted, we all fight the same fight, but the uniform uniqueness adds a bit of pride to branch service. In my opinion.
All things aside, I think we tend to take pride in being clearly distinguished from other services. Granted, we all fight the same fight, but the uniform uniqueness adds a bit of pride to branch service. In my opinion.
SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
I understand your viewpoint, and I would keep the distinguishing service uniforms for the reasons you described.
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No I think all need their own identity SGT Joseph Cardenas CSM Michael Boom SPC Margaret Higgins COL Mikel J. Burroughs CPL Dave Hoover SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas LTC Stephen F. LTC Stephen C. SPC Douglas Bolton CPT Chris Loomis SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth CW5 Jack Cardwell
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LTC Stephen F.
Do you remember BDUs, my friend SPC Robert Coventry ? In the 1990's ever service wore BDUs the only difference were rank insignia and color of name stitching and service stitching.
1. Having common duty uniforms for combat reduce overall cost to manufacture and acquire.
2. By the way, Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment has longer life than most duty uniforms. Matching camp patterns of equipment to uniform makes a lot of sense IMHO,
I think i replied to this question a year or so ago.
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1. Having common duty uniforms for combat reduce overall cost to manufacture and acquire.
2. By the way, Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment has longer life than most duty uniforms. Matching camp patterns of equipment to uniform makes a lot of sense IMHO,
I think i replied to this question a year or so ago.
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Here's my 2¢... Every service needs to maintain their own their own service & dress uniforms. These uniforms are stepped in history & tradition. Their roles... But DOD meds to pull it together on Battle Dress Uniform/Utilities. Completely ridiculous!
Whoever decided that blues and greys in camouflage pattern deserves the same fate as dose the creator of the ACU... a sound beating. If a situation warrents a pattern, then the color scheme should resemble the terrain. And they should all be the same. Exceptions to this could include service specific details, such as Army name tappes, the Marine Corp EGA, etc.
I would also be a fan of the camo uniform only be used during training or deployment, and bringing back the utility/work uniform...
Whoever decided that blues and greys in camouflage pattern deserves the same fate as dose the creator of the ACU... a sound beating. If a situation warrents a pattern, then the color scheme should resemble the terrain. And they should all be the same. Exceptions to this could include service specific details, such as Army name tappes, the Marine Corp EGA, etc.
I would also be a fan of the camo uniform only be used during training or deployment, and bringing back the utility/work uniform...
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With so many more joint operations with different branches of the service it seems at least the pattern of any camouflage uniform should be the same. Keep the service specific insignia. With people from different service all in the field together and not matching doesn't seem to make much sense. Patterns that blend with the location Would help, some of these uniforms stand out say against woodland as an example only a little better than white would. At least the Marines have figured out what colors and in nature and set out to blend with that. Seems the other services could learn from that. Instead of wasting money on all sorts of patterns that don't work, adopt one that does for all services. Only difference should be where the task is, dessert, woodland etc. Only class A and Class B uniforms should be specific to any one branch of the service. Shown here is one sampling of a number of different camouflage patterns and even more types have been added since this chart.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
PO1 (Join to see) - Would that be a solid darker blue resembling what the Coast Guard has ? I haven't seen that new Navy uniform yet.
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SM Sgt. Lawrence McCarter,
The NWU type 3 is the digital woodland type 2 is desert and type 1 is going away it's the blue cammo that never made sense to any of us sailors.
The NWU type 3 is the digital woodland type 2 is desert and type 1 is going away it's the blue cammo that never made sense to any of us sailors.
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MCPO Roger Collins
The last thing I want is uniforms that provide camouflage if I go overboard into a blue ocean or melt to the skin in a fire.
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It's down to parts commonality; small group of vendors producing a quality battle uniform that not only readily identifies US forces but has all respective services using the same resources (i.e. Joint base carries one uniform with service-unique rank, badges, etc). We should have immediately recognized the waste from having every service strike out on their own to research and produce a distinctive uniform, the duplication of effort is mind-boggling in this era of financial constraints vying against new weapon systems with runaway budgets. If more than one uniform, then at least operational environment-specific uniforms, in lieu of service-specific.
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Yes. This ain't no fashion show... to speak in old "hardass" NCO terms. We're here to fight and win wars. We (all) need the most effective camouflage pattern for the terrain we are in. If you want to wear different uniforms when not in combat, go back to the class-A/class-B garrison uniform. Camouflage is designed to blend in to the surrounding area, if you're just trying to look different than your ally counterparts, it might be time to rethink your priorities. I think it's well beyond fraud, waste and abuse the way we've spent millions of tax dollars (between all the branches) just to pick the prettiest (often least effective) pattern.
One team, one fight.
One team, one fight.
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Another good one. The Marines went to digital, then Army did... The Navy and USAF were still sporting DBDUs... then they decided they needed a new uniform too... Riddle me the this batman.... why does the Air Force need Sage Green Tiger Stripes? and Green Boots? Why do Sailors need blue digital camouflage? You would think the Navy would have orange, so if they fell off a ship, someone could see you.... The ACU concept was a worthy idea (one camo pattern for every where) except it worked no where...
That aside, I think we all should have standard utility uniforms, with minimal markings (you know the Army gets carried away as does the Air Force with utility patches and badges...) and then a few variants for the most likely environments we will face.
I like the idea of a single combat uniform. So long as there are variants for different climates and terrain...
That aside, I think we all should have standard utility uniforms, with minimal markings (you know the Army gets carried away as does the Air Force with utility patches and badges...) and then a few variants for the most likely environments we will face.
I like the idea of a single combat uniform. So long as there are variants for different climates and terrain...
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
With respect sir, the Navy's camos purpose is to hide dirt, grease, and paint stains and is not meant as a field uniform. They have the NWU II & III/AOR 1 & 2 for actual field use and they closely resemble desert and woodland MARPAT.
The ACU, as you should know, is not a camouflage pattern but a uniform pattern. The ACU currently comes in UCP (Universal Camouflage Pattern), and two flavors of OCP. But I do agree that UCP is completely worthless but from what I've read, when developing UCP the Army was more concerned about how it performed under IR than visible light. Allegedly, the Army created UCP by choosing the color that worked the best under IR from the M81 woodlands, the 3 color desert DCU, and an urban pattern.
The ACU, as you should know, is not a camouflage pattern but a uniform pattern. The ACU currently comes in UCP (Universal Camouflage Pattern), and two flavors of OCP. But I do agree that UCP is completely worthless but from what I've read, when developing UCP the Army was more concerned about how it performed under IR than visible light. Allegedly, the Army created UCP by choosing the color that worked the best under IR from the M81 woodlands, the 3 color desert DCU, and an urban pattern.
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