Posted on May 14, 2015
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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I was looking at both the Army and Marine method of combat pistol. To be quite frank I think the Marines have a better handle on this. What so you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU17hG4zZvw
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MSG Brad Sand
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As soon as you said 'Combat Pistol' everything that followed seemed a bit foggy. If you are in combat and going to your pistol...well I am praying for you already.
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LTC John Bush
LTC John Bush
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Back in 64 I had to take my platoon (heavy mortars Davy Crockett) to fire familiarization with the .45 and had a lot of comments about how useless it was. I showed them how to fire with 2 hands, from a rest, kneeling , prone etc. We spent about half a day at the range (Wildflecken FRG, we could do just about anything we wanted to back then). At the end they were convinced that they could do some real damage at 50 to 75 yards. I only had occasion to use a pistol once and am sure glad I had it. Details do not matter but if you are to carry one as a backup shoot a lot from a variety of positions with either hand and both hands. A pistol is a last resort weapon and the situation will be bad and unpredictable, you will most likely be relying on muscle memory in a split second situation. I do not think we invest enough time in live fire practice. I got mine off duty and still shoot regularly at 80 because it is a perishable skill.
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SGT Dan Gray
SGT Dan Gray
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who gives a damn. The question should be can you hit what you aim at. If so then good on you, if not then get out of the military as you are more a danger to use then the enemy
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SPC Donn Sinclair
SPC Donn Sinclair
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Qualified with the 1911 back when we employed the Olympic, off-hand stance. Carried one every day I was in, but when we left the wire, I took my M-16 and basic load. If the excrement got real, that's what would get me out of it. Fast forward to the GWOT. My kid would leave his M-9 at the FOB in favor of extra mags for his M-4 when he took his unit into Indian country. Nice to know he was listening while growing up.
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MAJ John Adams
MAJ John Adams
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Considering training budgets, is sufficient ammunition available to do the practice and ongoing training needed to develop and maintain proficiency with a sidearm? I imagine that once deployed, ammunition is a little bit less hoarded than it is stateside, but I well remember being told that no .45 caliber ammunition was available for training back in the 1970's and 1980's, before the M-9 was adopted. (Apparently, we shipped it all to the Israelis who had no use for it, and -- as I understand -- sold it.)
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Marines (of course)! How could you have possibly thought otherwise? :-)
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CPT Canon To The Ordinary
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Uh-huh. LOL
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SGT Todd Morelock
SGT Todd Morelock
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I got the Army pistol expert badge and M16. Not that hard if you follow instructions..
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SSG Robert Clark
SSG Robert Clark
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SGT Carl Blas - Congrats Marine, Though I do find it mildly ironic that the above cert. for the "Combat Handgun Coarse" doesn't depict a single soldier using a handgun. LOL.
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As a federal agent I can tell you that based on this video their technique is just not the best. For example sticking both hand out and drawing the weapon all the way out when you can just shoot from the hip. In addition they seem to just look left and right before holstering their weapon, this is intended for the firer to watch his six, not just his left and right. Lastly, when they holster their weapon they need to do it without looking at their holster, one would not be able to see in the dark. Just some pointers. 
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SSgt Robert Van Buhler III
SSgt Robert Van Buhler III
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Shooting from the hip? I think not. I also question fully extending your arms at rest with a pistol at ready as the repeated muscle memory training technique. I teach and was taught pulling in closer to the chest prevents taking away your weapon. As an NRA certified handgun instructor, I demonstrated, with blue guns, how to take a handgun away from someone with the gun extended like that. It is relatively easy to do with a judo-like sweep of the gun away from the person's strong arm while you pull it out of battery, especially if the shooter is disengaged from the trigger guard. The move works against the shooter's hand strength. A better technique is to bring your two hand hold in closer to your chest unless you are ready to shoot. Not like on TV where they go around corners with the gun sticking out into unknown territory. All of this is just on line palaver and palabra to keep us entertained, I suppose. But it is fun.
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SA Michael Moore
SA Michael Moore
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A different perspective: In the late 40's, I lived with my grandparents and an uncle who was newly married and we all lived as a family in a single house. Granddad had been a deputy for a small town Jerry (uncle) was too young for War 2 and worked for Brinks armored deliivery in Alabama. I loved to listen to his exciting stories. One thing he told me was the way they learned to shoot. They had a shooting range in the basement of their office building and every guard had to fire?? rounds every day after they got off work but before they left for the day. They used .38 special revolvers, but their technique was not to aim, but instead to extend the index finger along the frame parallel to the barrel and point at the target.The claim was that you could accurately point at a target and with the practice could land the bullet there.
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SA Michael Moore
SA Michael Moore
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I also recall him saying they believed you could always point accurately no matter where yur arms were.
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MSG Allan Davis
MSG Allan Davis
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LT you nailed it on this one.
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