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Posted on Dec 8, 2017
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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PO2 Scott Fahsbender
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The other reality is that civilians assume most ex-military joined because they couldn’t cut it in college. I work at a nuclear power plant, so when I meet college grads at work, a lot of them are surprised when they find out I’m a veteran and don’t have a degree. They don’t believe that ex-military non-college people could possibly be smart enough to succeed in the nuclear industry. When they find out close to 75% of the workforce at my plant are veterans, they’re even more surprised.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Degree really is a nice to have at some point in both the civilian and military world, but doesn't mean much. Sure you need a degree to get a commission but thats a requirement not necessarily somethi g that shows your ability. My son joined the Air Force right out of high school, I actually swore him in at the MEP center. He went into aircraft avionics, did very well and was eventually recruited into the telecommunications industry when his enlistment was over. He did very well but had way more job changes than I understood, but that is a fact of life in that industry. Many of the new hires who worked for him were individuals with college degrees learning the business. While he was a top technician who was always being recruited he realized that if he ever wanted to go beyond where he was he needed a degree. He ultimately got a degree in computer engineering but this was 15 years after leaving the military and training many college graduates.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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After Vietnam and the cut back, I did he only thing the NAVY taught me that was workable in Civilian life, I became a Firefighter. I also became the RDO (Radiological Detection Officer) for the County when the Emergency Preparedness Officer found out that I spent 8 years on Nuclear Carriers. With 5 reactor sites in SC 3 with a 50 mile EPZ of our County plus Savanna River Site, and the major highway system transporting the high and low level waste Its a fun place. When we had the first full scale exercise for V.C Summer Plant, the US DOE and the NRC inspectors came in to inspect us on our evacuation reception centers for those in the 10 mile EPZ areas and closer in the 50 mile EPZ areas. I set up the reception areas and coordinated everything. After everything was over the Investigators asked what school I got my training from, I told them USS Enterprise and USS Nimitz. Diploma's are only a piece of paper. Front line training is where knowledge is honed!
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CPO David Ransom
CPO David Ransom
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In Nuc School we used slide rules, not calculators. I remember taking quizzes where we were calculating the change in the orifice that anti-matter came through to bring the Starship Enterprise from Warp Factor 3 to Warp Factor 9.
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MSgt John McGowan
MSgt John McGowan
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I worked with some of these Navy types. nuclear field. PO2 Scott those folks are smart.
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SSgt Copyright Specialist
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I do not know if there really is a way to educate all of the public about what the military entails. I frequently get asked when I meet someone new and they find out I am a retired Marine, "Did you ever kill anyone?" I explain I was an avionics technician and that leads to them asking what that is which in turn leads to me explaining I worked on aircraft which leads to them proclaiming they never even knew the Marine Corps had aircraft.

A year or two ago at work I was in a meeting with a Lieutenant Governor of one of the US's Pacific territories, that will soon be home to troops that are currently stationed in Okinawa, and afterwards he was talking about how the Navy only had aircraft carriers so the Air Force could have a place to fly their planes from. I had to explain that aircraft carriers have US Navy and Marine Corps aircraft on them not Air Force ones and that ended our conversation. If you can't even depend on politicians who's jurisdiction depend on the US military to understand the makeup of the military, can you really expect civilians who have very little if any contact with the military to understand us?
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LCpl Emanuel W.
LCpl Emanuel W.
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SSgt (Join to see) - Ya learn something new everyday! I stand corrected. That is something I didn't know, yet never bothered to google. I have great respect for all pilots, and ground crew. Always wished I could be either a pilot or RIO.
Thanks for the interesting and informative document.
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PO3 Rick Bohan
PO3 Rick Bohan
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When I first got out of the Navy as a FMF Corpsman I was asked by my teenage step brother asked me if I killed anyone while in the military. I look at him a say not on purpose but did have a few of them die on me. Then he looks at me and was so confused. I told him my job was to save lives not take them.
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TSgt David Case
TSgt David Case
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CAPT (Join to see) - It is truly scary how much the civilian pop. thinks it knows as to what it Really knows...
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LTC Michael Hrycak
LTC Michael Hrycak
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Quite a few years ago, after Tom Clancy had his first book, Hunt for Red October, published, he was being interviewed and was asked what was the greatest surprise to him after the success of his book. He said that it was when a Congressional staffer had contacted him because his Congressman wanted to know where he got the classified material for the caterpillar drive. Tom Clancy replied that there is no such drive, he had made it up for the book. But, he was worried that a member of Congress, who make decisions about real submarines, didn't know that his made up technology wasn't real.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Seems also if a civilian that has no military background finds I was in the Air Force, they first question they ask is " were You a pilot ?" They are amazed when I tell them very few are, there are over 350 other occupations. When they find out a Military post or Base is like a city and has all the functions of a city, Police Fire, medical, public works functions, shopping, family housing etc and how large an area and how many square miles some bases cover they had no concept at all.
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LTC Michael Hrycak
LTC Michael Hrycak
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I still try to describe Fort Hood, Texas, to civilians. There is a North Fort Hood, and West Fort Hood, and a gigantic tactical/training area that takes almost half an hour on a thru road to transit in a straight line. The main post itself is formidable enough, but the other parts are also fairly big.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Your comment reminds me of an urban sociology class I took back in a prior millennium. For one paper, I used military bases as examples. In addition to lots of notes in the margins, one of the professor's final comments was that analyzing military bases as cities would make a fascinating graduate thesis.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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1LT William Clardy - Seems also a lot of civilians have no concept that a Military base or post has all the functions of a city Police, Fire, Ambulance, schools, housing, Highway and road maintenance, shopping and the list goes on. The Base or Post Commander is kind of like a Mayor except He isn't elected but does oversee the day to day functions of that installation or should I say Military City ?
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LTC Michael Hrycak
LTC Michael Hrycak
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I agree that studying military bases as cultural kingdoms would be interesting. I still believe that the Global War on Terrorism is unique in that you saw massive Reserve Component mobilizations, which engendered military families off-base being involved. Usually, those families were on military bases and civilians had little to no interaction with them. I remember calling my older son from Iraq, I had to get a Court Order since his mother had moved from New jersey to California while I was deployed, and I was late because we had gotten rocketed. The school staffer who answered complained at my tardiness. I explained that I was delayed because our base had been attacked. She finally relented and allowed me to speak with my eight year old son. I think a positive influence was that he was near Camp Pendelton, California, and I wasn't the only Servicemember who was deployed overseas.
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CSM Christopher St. Cyr
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And everything you said is what make it difficult for veterans to get jobs in the civilian sector. They have no idea what we do or can do, but we also need to learn to speak like the 99% of the population not in the military. Learning to translate Troop Leading Procedures into project management terms make one a more attractive hire.
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SPC Geana Schnepp
SPC Geana Schnepp
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I guess I've been lucky because my MOS in the Army translated so easily into the civilian world that having US Army on my resume got me every interview I had in the first few years after I got out.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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SGT Joseph Gunderson Thank you for the great share. I have had similar experiences when I lived in a very non-military area. The lesson you and I and all of us vets need to take from it is, you are VITAL. You are vital to sharing real-world experience about the actual military (not Hollywood military) and the real world beyond the bounds of their home towns. Your breadth of experience gives you a perspective that you need to share with these civilians. We vets have a rare understanding of WHY we love America, because we have experienced alternatives in other parts of the world. And not the vacation hot-spots.
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LT Brad McInnis
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My 2 cents - the people that make up crap about their service are going to do it regardless of what movies or whatever is out there. It is a part of THEIR makeup. As far as educating civvies, I don't worry about it. They can think what they want as long as they don't denigrate my brothers and sisters in arms. If they want to learn more, I am happy to tell them.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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SGT Joseph Gunderson Fellow Jayhawk, Actually I had one of the "Cool" Jobs, Nope Not a Seal, Not Special Forces, I'm a Retired Navy Spook but I needed a Lot of "Support" People to Get Me where I had to Go and Make Sure I had all the Tools in Good Repair to do what I Had To Do. I don't Know How to Operate a Damn Thing in Engineering and thanks to the "Snipes" (Engineers) I could Sit Off Iran and Listen to Them. The Mess Specialist that Fed Me Real Good. The Mat Cranks to Fix the Equipment I Busted. Supply Clerks to Make Sure I had Spares for About Everything. For Every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, Doing the "Cool" Jobs there is a Bunch of Support Folks that Allow Us to Do It and Make Sure that we Can with No Interference! I am Grateful for those Folks!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I'm actually a Coyote (KWU).
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Cpl Aaron White
Cpl Aaron White
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SGT Joseph Gunderson - That's where I got my MBA, lived in Salina for years, now over in Hays running a non-profit. Another one of those things most people wouldn't expect a Marine infantryman capable of...
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I know a few people who are getting their MBA here. I meet and interact with many different students here due to my being the only designated writing tutor. Personally, I am working towards my BA in English with a Creative Writing focus.
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Hell I don't have much to complain about even the JAG Corps got some movies. Not necessarily the Army but when you have A Few Good Men (Navy & Marines) and Rules of Engagement (Marines) at least we have some representation. Then of course the TV Series JAG (Navy) is way sexier than the actual JAG Corps.
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SN Greg Wright
SN Greg Wright
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Loved loved loved JAG
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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What are you trying to say, SPC (Join to see)? Don't all Navy JAG officers stay current on the fighters they flew prior to passing the Bar?
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I loved watching JAG
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CPO David Ransom
CPO David Ransom
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When I was recruiting I was surprised to find that it wasn't easy for JAG officers to stay in for a career.
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SGT Philip Roncari
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Those are my thoughts exactly or should I say the same perceptions of the Military I faced over fifty years ago after my time in,granted it was a different mind set then,but basically what you have posted thank you and good luck with college.
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SPC David Willis
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I find many within the military have these misconceptions as well. Many non combat arms folks think combat arms guys just go out and shoot people for a few hours every day, and many combat arms soldiers think non-combat arms guys sit around and play xbox and drink tea all day. Even worse when it comes to different branches of the military.
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SGT Stephen Jaffe
SGT Stephen Jaffe
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I was a comm center specialist with Army Security Agency. We worked shifts much like a factory does. We operated 24 / 7 and most of the time we worked 8hr shifts. Sometimes we were short on personnel and worked 12hr shifts. One time we worked rotating 16hr shifts. We were extremely busy, and we worked standing up and moving. There was no sitting around. I've heard from former 'grunts' that the majority of their time is humping through the terrain for hours on end before you have enemy contact.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
SFC Greg Bruorton
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SGT Stephen Jaffe - I share your experiences too, having been an 05C, 72B, 72E, and 31Z. We had little time thinking what our combatants were faring except to get the message in and out.
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SPC Erich Guenther
SPC Erich Guenther
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Amen. Most that never served 11 Series don't even realize there was a little animoisity at times between 11B, 11C and 11H. Even within the MOS, generalizations are made and the whole "are they doing as much in the field as us 11B's are" crap surfaces every so often because well.........11 Series loves to bitch about just about everything and frequently look over to other 11 Series units and attempt to do comparisons as to who is bad azz in the training area.
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