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Posted on Jun 1, 2020
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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The issue of racism and hate (and they do go hand in hand) is, IMHO, an issue that is both nature and nurture taught. Racism is not an element of the human psych that is genetically present. It is learned. It is taught. How it is learned and taught...that could be a different kind of discussion in of itself. Either way, there is always present someone in the family that was taught to hate someone of a different race...for what ever reason. Could be because of some past transgression (and this could encompass many different types of transgressions). Hell, it could be taught by the media. Either way, it is learned. What is truly sad is that hate/racism will never go away. Not in our lifetime. Not in the lifetime of our children.

Growing up in the 70's and 80's in Southern California...man....was there ever an issue present. White folk did not go near areas predominately black. And vice versa. Crenshaw BLVD was not a road you wanted to find yourself on at night by yourself. Even during the day, it was risky. When I was a kid ready for kindergarten, the school system said I was to take a bus to Watts. My mom wasn't having that. Granted, the Watts Riots were a hair over ten years prior to that, the the bad feelings were still present. So...mom kept me out of school until 1st grade. My education was Sesame Street. Was her decision out of hate and racism? Once could possibly argue that. Her decision was based more on fear due to hate and racism that I could have received.

Affirmative Action. That law is another basis for what we have today. AA certainly didn't help in the long run. I heard a lot of grumblings because of AA growing up. Whether it's work force or academic...AA really didn't help.

Education. The one thing I have always disliked was someone getting a leg up in education simply based on their skin color. I have also always disliked someone using their skin color as a basis as to why they can't get a good education. Cases in point: Once, this woman (she is white) I was dating, was attending the local community college to knock out her pre-reqs for nursing school. She was always having to apply for financial aide, grants, loans, etc.. One time, the financial aid office told her that if she were a single black woman with child she would get a free education. I've also personally known some black folk that complained they couldn't get a good education because the system was holding them back. These were also the guys (and some girls) that would be highly disruptive in class, not do the work, etc....yet blame the system for their failures.

Interactions with LEOs. We could sit here ALL DAY saying that if people just followed all commands from the towers then nothing bad would happen. We teach our kids that. In reality, for the most part this is correct. However, there is always going to be that situation where a person pulled over is going to cop attitude at the cop...or the cop is going to automatically go to dickhead mode and be abusive. Hell, I have always respected LEOs and have always followed all commands. But on occasion, I have been the recipient of a dickhead d-bag cop.

What happened to Mr. Floyd...and all of the other Mr. Floyd's that have been abused, beat up, killed by cops for nothing....those are severe tragic events that should never have happened. And those cops should certainly pay the piper. That being said, I do not feel that these riots are justified. The peaceful protests, yes they are justified. But the minute the peaceful protest becomes violent and destructive, it no longer is justified. Just recently (last night or early this morning) a person in KY was shot and killed by the police and/or NG after someone in a group fired on them. This is no longer about protest and injustice. This is about violence. Destroying businesses belonging to people within the community that had nothing to do with the death of Mr. Floyd....seriously? Why? Why is that warranted? How is that justified? I get the anger. I get the feelings and emotions. But violence begets violence. One causes the other.

Until all abusive cops are held accountable....until they are charged, tried, and hopefully convicted....these cases will continue to happen. And why? Because these actions by these d-bag cops create a severe taste of fear and hatred for all cops. So, this in turn makes people mistrust the cops and become combative and violent towards all cops. And what does this do in turn? It creates cops that are fearful of all interactions with people and will pretty much go to the physical take down. I'm not saying all cops, but enough of. And these feelings are all the reason those d-bag cops need to do what they do.

We ALL have to break the cycle of violence. We ALL have to work/live with each other.

These are just my thoughts and opinions.
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SGT Crystal Simon - The situation with that education financial leg up due to color took place in Omaha, NE with the Metro Community College many years ago. And I admit, my comments on AA could have been written better, now that I have re-read it.
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SGT Crystal Simon - I hate to break it to you, but you are just blowing sunshine. Regardless of who it is supposed to help, the people that work in the offices decide who gets help and who doesn't. I am an 80% disabled veteran. Despite this, in no way has Affirmative Action ever helped me. Every time I try to use it for any type of assistance, I am always turned away because I am not a minority. This has gone on ever since I became a disabled veteran 17 years ago and continues to the present day. Coincidentally, every single worker in these offices are black women. I guess this is all that "white privilege" I keep hearing about. The privilege of having none whatsoever.
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SGT Crystal Simon
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SGT (Join to see) - SGT, I am sorry you feel this way. However, affirmative action is supposed to work based on the need of the individual/family. I know from your side it is not easy, especially for a disabled veteran. Being a veteran myself, I understand the difficulties other veterans have in getting the help they need because they are disabled veterans. Unfortunately, others in our society don't understand that disabled veterans receive compensation due to injuries incurred during and from the physical, mental, and emotional demands of military service. I see this misunderstanding in my own agency and try to educate others in my profession. To them, it is simply another form of social service assistance, although they are nowhere near the same. All I can say is keep trying if you need the assistance and try various agencies if necessary, not just one.
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I have no doubt you are being absolutely sincere, but after 17 years of trying, I have to conclude that despite the rules, anti-white racism may well be the reason I cannot get help where I live. I do find it very sad, given that I do not hold racist views myself. So, yes, I will go elsewhere. I am going to move ASAP. It is only a matter of affording it. I am in a Catch-22 that way. I have to say, I was very depressed when I returned home from military service and felt the hostility from black people who did not even know me, when this was not something I experienced in the Army. I loved all my brothers in arms, regardless of skin color. And I still refuse to let other people's hate and ignorance affect my way of thinking about others. I, like Dr. King, know that people are people and it is the content of one's character that matters, not the color of one's skin. It may be hard when I hear BLM crowds on TV chanting "Kill white people", but I still believe that this is only a small population of hateful radicals, not a representative group, and I hope many others realize it too. What I fear most is that little ones watching TV in terror right now will grow up thinking that this is what black people are - violent looters who burn things down and hurt people. The last thing we need is to reverse history and create a whole new generation of kids who fear, and therefore hate blacks.
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How is the nation on edge because of the death of Arbery? His death, while abhorrent, was perpetrated by private citizens. Should the nation go to the edge every time a black man is murdered? Because if that's the case, we would be on the edge every day especially in the major metropolitan areas of this country. Or just it just apply to when a black man is murdered by someone of any other race, or just specifically by a white?

For the chinese flu, what made this disease the one the media chose to hang their hat on? My parents went to school when polio was rearing its ugly head. Indeed, we had a President afflicted with it. We shut down nothing for it. We didn't shut down for flu epidemics in the late 50s, late 60s. We didnt shut down for SARS, MERS, or H1N1 either. H1N1 killed 60,000 Americans in 2009-10. Where was the grim milestone then?

50,000 Americans die every year in car accidents? Is that a grim milestone? How about 400,000 dying from heart disease? Yet, we don't maintain a death watch for them.

Floyd's death was tragic and preventable. Unfortunately, there were 4 police officers at the scene who either caused or were complicit in his death. One has been arrested for his death, the others are under investigation, and all have been fired.
You ask for a solution, I have none. We've passed laws to legislate morality. We've passed laws to protect citizens from illegal actions of others. While many things have changed for the better, we can't legislate/change the thoughts running in peoples heads.
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SPC Melody Joyce
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SrA Matt 2Man, absolutely, amen! “No lives matter until black lives matter!” The stats say that 27% of deaths by cops are black men! That’s high when you consider that only 13% of the entire US population is black and 60% of the US population is white. That leaves 27% for all the other minorities. Some of these “guys” aren’t going to get that or they just don’t care. I think it’s the later.
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Sgt John Steinmeier Yeah okaaaay Johnbob...I don't take orders.
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SPC Melody Joyce - Last year, a grand total of 9 black people were killed by cops. 19 white men were killed by cops. All of them were trying to kill the cops when they were shot. 89 cops were killed of any race. This is not a genocide. This is amazing restraint given the vast number of violent criminals police encounter every year. BLM is political manipulation by verified Marxist radicals who are using racial sensitivity and identity politics to destabilize our country. Don't be one of the useful idiots who fall for it.
BTW, these stats come from the U.S. Department of Justice. This is also the 5th year in a row that the numbers of black people killed by police have fallen simply due to bad press.
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SGT Crystal Simon
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Sgt (Join to see) - Black Americans are only 14% of this nation's population. Now, base the 27% on that.
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I have a question about the blood choke. When was it made an illegal hold? When I attended two different Police Academies, it was taught as a take down maneuver. The first time I learned the maneuver was in 1975 in San Diego, Ca and the second in 1978 in Seattle, Wa at the State academy. It so happens to be a maneuver used in Aikido martial arts.
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SPC Michael Oles SR - You don't need to prove whether he knew it was counterfeit or not: You only have to prove he was attempting to use it. Which is why the police were called. You need to separate the two items (Crimes)
1) Mr Floyd attempted (Knowingly or not) to pass a counterfeit $20 bill. This is a crime and police were called.
2) During the Arrest Officer Chauvin, after restraining Mr Floyd, continued to place his shin across the neck of Mr. Floyd for no apparent reason which led to the Death of Mr. Floyd, which is also a crime: Under Minnesota Statutes it is 609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
There are degrees of "Murder" under the law generally they take some form
1) Capital Murder/Murder in the 1st Degree - You need to prove intent
2) Second Degree Murder - Someone is Killed in the commission of another crime (I.E Robbery and criminal shoots someone)
3) Manslaughter (Voluntary/Involuntary) - Causing the Death of Someone by accidental or negligence. (Drunk Driving is the major example of this.
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LTC Ken Connolly
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I have known police who emotionally explode when being questioned or show even the slightest sign of resistance by a black person. The "combat" pressure many of the police are under must precipitate into PTSD. This may explain much of the their violent behavior. I wonder if police departments conduct mental health evaluations on a scheduled basis to members of police force and sideline those police with desk duty and psychological help, who show signs of psychological stress.
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SPC Melody Joyce
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Since after your training; you say you were trained in 1975 and 1978? Well, look it up in google...
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PO1 H Gene Lawrence
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SPC Melody Joyce - my question was rhetorical since the blood choke is not a hold.
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