Posted on Apr 30, 2015
Did you go through mortar fire unit evaluation at Wildflecken training area? If so how many times?
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During the Cold War, I went with 1/52 IN Bn to Wildflecken twice for gunnery training including mortar training and evaluation. Wildflecken training area was significantly different from Graf. I remember Dead Man's Curve with the multiple white crosses displayed along the roadside and the nearby Monastery where the monks served a great beer.
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LTC Stephen F., I became an 11C (Indirect fire infantryman-mortars) while at AIT at Fort Jackson, SC from JAN70 to MAR70. I then went to the Weapons NCO Supervisor Candidate Special Forces Course at Fort Bragg, NC late MAY70 through AUG70. The last half of the SF course was all heavy weapons, with tremendous emphasis on the M30, 4.2" mortar during the week long FTX at the end of heavy the weapons portion of the course. Photo is of me hanging a round at the actual SF heavy weapons FTX at Fort Bragg in JUL-AUG70! COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Ivan Raiklin, Esq. SGM Gregory Tarancon IV CPT (Join to see)
SFC William Farrell PO3 Phyllis Maynard SGT Robert Pryor SGT Mark Anderson
SFC William Farrell PO3 Phyllis Maynard SGT Robert Pryor SGT Mark Anderson
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen F., never had a hang fire, but did have a short round once out of a 4.2. Someone took off too many charges, and it barely puffed out of the tube and went about 300 yards down range. Everyone could see the round just lazily floating in the air! Soldiers were running away like crazy! For some reason it didn't detonate, but we were all scared to death! As I write this, it sounds crazy, but I think that's what happened!
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen Curlee, I know that several indirect rounds need to travel a certain minimal distance before the fuse arms. Timed detonation rounds clearly fit into category. It has been a long time since IMPOC and mortar live fires.
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen F., I did have some great trips to Germany. I'll try to find where I posted them on RP and tag you.
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LTC Stephen F., I thought I had posted these photos on another discussion thread, but I could not find it. So here they are on this thread, if that's OK with you. It may be interesting, in any event.
When we made our trips to the FRG to support the various NATO exercises, we were attached to VII U.S. Corps at Kelley Barracks in Stuttgart. During our numerous trips there, we became good friends with a lieutenant colonel, who was in the USAR program in the FRG which was very impressive. He met and married a baroness, more specifically a freiherran. My last trip over I took my wife and so with one other couple we spent a few days with them in their castle in the village of ThĂĽngen, which is about 25 km NW of Wurzburg.
Here's an aerial photograph of Schloss der Freiherren von ThĂĽngen, home of LTC James L., Freiherr (Baron) von ThĂĽngen. The castle was protected by a hillside to the rear (left) and a dry moat to the front (right). According to Jim, records showed that the rectangular block building to the right of the castle dates back to the time of Charlemagne (742-814 A.D.)!
The second photo is a detail of the castle and the third photo is a detail of the "Charlemagne" building. What looks like a bay window is really an early version of indoor plumbing! The color photos were from JUL85. COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Ivan Raiklin, Esq. CPT (Join to see) PO3 Phyllis Maynard SGT Robert Pryor SPC Woody Bullard
Here’s the FRG tag I mentioned, SFC William Farrell.
My travels don’t compare to yours SGT Mark Anderson, but I thought this little story might interest you.
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel, your shared link about "How Germans remember World Wars" put me in mind of this little tale from my trips to the FRG. Thought you might be interested.
When we made our trips to the FRG to support the various NATO exercises, we were attached to VII U.S. Corps at Kelley Barracks in Stuttgart. During our numerous trips there, we became good friends with a lieutenant colonel, who was in the USAR program in the FRG which was very impressive. He met and married a baroness, more specifically a freiherran. My last trip over I took my wife and so with one other couple we spent a few days with them in their castle in the village of ThĂĽngen, which is about 25 km NW of Wurzburg.
Here's an aerial photograph of Schloss der Freiherren von ThĂĽngen, home of LTC James L., Freiherr (Baron) von ThĂĽngen. The castle was protected by a hillside to the rear (left) and a dry moat to the front (right). According to Jim, records showed that the rectangular block building to the right of the castle dates back to the time of Charlemagne (742-814 A.D.)!
The second photo is a detail of the castle and the third photo is a detail of the "Charlemagne" building. What looks like a bay window is really an early version of indoor plumbing! The color photos were from JUL85. COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Ivan Raiklin, Esq. CPT (Join to see) PO3 Phyllis Maynard SGT Robert Pryor SPC Woody Bullard
Here’s the FRG tag I mentioned, SFC William Farrell.
My travels don’t compare to yours SGT Mark Anderson, but I thought this little story might interest you.
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel, your shared link about "How Germans remember World Wars" put me in mind of this little tale from my trips to the FRG. Thought you might be interested.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen C., thanks for posting the pictures. It sounds like it must have been a wonderful trip. I remembered to watch out for chamber pot dumping areas in some of the older German towns. While rarely used they filled a need.
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LTC Stephen C.
The double entendre is not lost on me, LTC Stephen F.! The chamber pots "filled" a need?! Very clever! Very funny!
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LTC Stephen C.
SPC Woody Bullard, this is the comment that I wanted you to see about Schloss der Freiherren von ThĂĽngen.
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I went to Wildflecken with 2 11 cab in 81 and a whole bunch of times after that. Was Battalion Commo Chief of 54th Engineer Bn stationed at Wildflecken from 90 until 93 when we shut the unit down.
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Yes- went to Wildflecken twice and Graf twice with 3/63 AR BN, 3rd ID, 1986-1989. Feels like forever.
LTC Stephen F.
SGT John Panzini a lot has happened since our units went to the various training and gunnery areas during the Cold War. It seems strange that after so many years tensions our building back up between western Europe and Russia.
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Agreed, funny how that works! I guess there's truth in the fact that everything comes full circle.
I went to Wildflecken twice for mortar ARTEPS in 1984 and 85. Also went to the monastery there and had some great beer.
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LTC Stephen F.
SGT Robert Pacheco what unit were you assigned to when you went through mortar ARTEPS? Was it at 81 mm mortar unit or a 4.2 Inch unit?
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SGT Robert Pacheco
I was in 1st Bn 30th Inf "Wild Boar" Bn in Schweinfurt. We started as Mechanized 81s but transitioned to 4.2 around the same time they were fielding the Bradley IFVs to the 11Bs.
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SPC John Parmenter
My unit (1st Battle Group, 28th Infantry [Reinforced], 1st Infantry Division) trained at Wildflecken winter 1963 in preparation for assignment in Berlin. We trained with both 81 mm mortars & 106 mm recoilless rifles. Our supporting howitzer battery (A, 2/33rd Artillery) conducted direct fire at Wildflecken. We flew to Germany from Ft. Riley during Operation Long Thrust VI to reinforce the U.S. Berlin garrison per President Kennedy's directive of August 1961.
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LTC Stephen F. Sir, I spent six and half years (74-77 & 79-82) in the 11th ACR (Fulda, GE) and did many a CAV Troop convoys and Jeep trips to Wildflicken for Gunnery, FTXs, other live fires, guard duty, etc. Seen it snow in the middle of summer on more than one ocassion. The Kruzberg Monestary is memory I will never forget. In fact I've been back twice since retiring in 96. I went back for 2 11th ACR Reunions in Fulda and we ensured a day at Kruzberg was a part of each Reunion.
I recall the Dead Man's Curve with the Crosses and in fact was present for one vehicle accident along the cobblestone tank trail that did result in a Soldier's death.
Here are a few photos: Kruzburg Mug, typical Wlid-Chicken snow and Troop convoy to the WTA training area.
I recall the Dead Man's Curve with the Crosses and in fact was present for one vehicle accident along the cobblestone tank trail that did result in a Soldier's death.
Here are a few photos: Kruzburg Mug, typical Wlid-Chicken snow and Troop convoy to the WTA training area.
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LTC Stephen F.
1SG (Join to see), thank you for mentioned the name of the Kruzberg Monestary and posting the images. Once of my most vivid memories of Wildflecken was going through a live fire exercise on a range above Dead Man's curve with a fog blanket covering much of the surrounding area. All at once the fog lifted and I saw a small town to the 90 degrees to the left of where were firing. I was amazed how close it was [1 km away]. Later it disappeared from view in the fog.
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I recalling pulling a 24 hr patrol post in the winter on the border. It was cold as hell, windy, snowing, then sunny, windy, cold as hell, every 30 minutes. We were able to see the fronts come in across the valley in front of us in East Germany...It just blew my mind...snowing, cloudy, windy on my position, but I could see the sun and clearning coming in and then the next snow front behind it coming in. I miss it ....but then....I don't miss sitting out there freezing my butt off 24 hours at a time though.
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LTC Stephen F.
Here is an image of the village which appeared once the fog listed. SPC (Join to see) LTC Stephen C. SGT Forrest Stewart SrA Christopher Wright
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LTC Stephen F.
Here are some images of A Co 4th Platoon, 1/52 Infantry mortar gunnery at Wildflecken from 1983. As an IMPOC grad who was XO of the mechanized infantry Company, I had additional duty as OIC for mortar live fires, ARTEPS, etc. LTC Stephen C. SPC Jeff Daley, PhD SrA Christopher Wright
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LTC Stephen F.
Thank you my friend SFC Thomas Lomax for responding and letting us know about your exclamation 'Remember the CHICKEN!'
Chicken Flicken :-)
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Chicken Flicken :-)
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I have been to Chicken Flicken with the German Army Unit I was attached to, but didn't have mortars. Sorry.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thank you for responding CW3 Kevin Storm and letting us know that you had been training at Wildflecken training area.
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SPC Robert Keesee
A few time also Been to Grafenwoehr many time and Hohenfels .
I was in Bamberg Germany from 1979 - 1984
I was in 1st BN 54 TH Inf C Company
I was in Bamberg Germany from 1979 - 1984
I was in 1st BN 54 TH Inf C Company
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LTC Stephen F.
Thank you my friend SPC Robert Keesee for responding and letting us know that you trained at Wildflicken many times at that you were assigned as an 11C in 1/54 Inf BN Bamberg Germany from 1979 to 1984.
I was assigned to A 1/52 Infantry from 1981 to 1983 and then assigned to HQ 1/52 Infantry from 1983 to 1984 at Warner Barracks, Bamberg, West Germany
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I was assigned to A 1/52 Infantry from 1981 to 1983 and then assigned to HQ 1/52 Infantry from 1983 to 1984 at Warner Barracks, Bamberg, West Germany
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