Posted on Mar 20, 2018
Do you think that the various branches should have the same uniforms?
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I am OK with them having OCP's. I just wish we would put the rank back on the collar. No need to look at boobs to see what your rank is. Get you head up and walk straight
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Plus an enemy is aiming at your chest not head/collar, just gives them a boost when they see they just took out an officer.
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SGT Ray Davies
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - Sir, when we were in Viet Nam, the officers removed their rank from their collars, as we did as NCOs our stripes. We all knew each other, and if we were going away from the area we did have fatigues and class As (and Bs) with the rank displayed. I believe different uniforms give the military more of a E'srit De Corps. Makes it easier to rag on the Marines or Air Force if we can see them.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
SGT Ray Davies Services will rag on each other no matter what their uniforms look like :-)
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PO1 Dori Lowham
I feel that the uniform for each branch distinguishes between each other and that in itself makes them unique. I believe in each branch being unique because they all have different mottos - but, one mission - to protect and serve!
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I think the DoD, possibly through DLA, should provide guidance to reduce “uniform churn” we’ve seen in the Services in the last 20 years. The types of uniforms and their primary acceptable uses should be defined, and the Services and Unified Commands required to live within those limits.
-Service Uniform: Service specific “coat and tie” uniform, such as the Army Service Uniform. This uniform should be used for everyday duties. It should reflect the traditions of each Service while being comfortable and practical for office and ceremonial use. This uniform would be authorized for wear outside of the military installation or duty area for official functions and commuting.
-Work Uniform: A DoD-wide mandated uniform for duties frequently requiring the Service Member to work out of doors, or in a “dirty” environment, or performing duties likely to stain, damage, or otherwise ruin a Service Uniform. Maintenance, motor pool, supply, warehouse, transportation, IT maintenance, communications technicians, and many other skilled personnel would wear this uniform. Combat forces also would wear this uniform when training in garrison, maintaining weapons and equipment, and training in a non-threat environment in the field. Think of this as an updated version of the BDU. Black boots. Wear outside of military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Combat Uniform: Each Unified Command would determine the best uniform design for their AOR or Operation from a collection of DoD developed and approved patterns. Desert, jungle, woodland, urban, etc. These uniforms would be issued to Service Members according to Deployment Orders or when stationed in an OCONUS AOR. Unified Commands would specify the personnel required to wear the combat uniform in their AOR, all others would wear a Service, Work, or Specialized Uniform. Combat uniforms would be turned in when personnel redeploy to CONUS or another AOR. Serviceable uniforms would be recycled.
-Specialized Uniform: Special purpose uniforms designed to fill specific requirements. Flight suits and aircraft carrier deck uniforms are examples. These uniforms would be used exclusively for the purpose for which they are purchased. They will not be substituted for Service, Work, or Combat uniforms. Wear outside of the military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Each uniform type also should include uniform items needed for weather protection. Work and Combat uniforms should include a “field jacket”, parka, field cap, ear and face protection, etc. Combat uniforms may include foot ware of various colors and designs to fit the environment.
-Service Uniform: Service specific “coat and tie” uniform, such as the Army Service Uniform. This uniform should be used for everyday duties. It should reflect the traditions of each Service while being comfortable and practical for office and ceremonial use. This uniform would be authorized for wear outside of the military installation or duty area for official functions and commuting.
-Work Uniform: A DoD-wide mandated uniform for duties frequently requiring the Service Member to work out of doors, or in a “dirty” environment, or performing duties likely to stain, damage, or otherwise ruin a Service Uniform. Maintenance, motor pool, supply, warehouse, transportation, IT maintenance, communications technicians, and many other skilled personnel would wear this uniform. Combat forces also would wear this uniform when training in garrison, maintaining weapons and equipment, and training in a non-threat environment in the field. Think of this as an updated version of the BDU. Black boots. Wear outside of military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Combat Uniform: Each Unified Command would determine the best uniform design for their AOR or Operation from a collection of DoD developed and approved patterns. Desert, jungle, woodland, urban, etc. These uniforms would be issued to Service Members according to Deployment Orders or when stationed in an OCONUS AOR. Unified Commands would specify the personnel required to wear the combat uniform in their AOR, all others would wear a Service, Work, or Specialized Uniform. Combat uniforms would be turned in when personnel redeploy to CONUS or another AOR. Serviceable uniforms would be recycled.
-Specialized Uniform: Special purpose uniforms designed to fill specific requirements. Flight suits and aircraft carrier deck uniforms are examples. These uniforms would be used exclusively for the purpose for which they are purchased. They will not be substituted for Service, Work, or Combat uniforms. Wear outside of the military installations restricted to commuting or specific duties.
-Each uniform type also should include uniform items needed for weather protection. Work and Combat uniforms should include a “field jacket”, parka, field cap, ear and face protection, etc. Combat uniforms may include foot ware of various colors and designs to fit the environment.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
Sorry but what you propose would become a logistical nightmare. Making the Supply Officer, and his/her minions, the rulers of the unit. Understanding the primary function of any military is to locate, close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver. As Marines we consider every Marine a basic rifleman and have had many instances occur where personnel other than grunts have been engaged in combat operations. Sorry but your idea, in my humble opinion, sucks and would be a supply nightmare!
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No. Each branch has its different mission. Each mission has its own need for a different set of utilities/uniform.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
What I think would work would be for every branch to use the same exact camo pattern(s) and materials but each branch has the option to have those uniforms cut to their own specifications. So the Marines would wear an MCCU pattern uniform (with our trademark covers) in New Pattern X, while the Army would wear ACUs also in New Pattern X, and so on. This would in some cost savings as every branch would be sourcing the same materials but each branch would still have their own uniform design, even if it's not readily apparent because of them all using the same camo pattern(s).
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We are 1 military. The elite units can pick & choose uniforms. But regular military should not have each branch seperate. No one else does that.
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MSG John Wirts
Oh when I joined the army in 1962 The pickle suit(fatigue uniform) was semi universal. The belts and covers were sometimes service specific. Next came woodland camouflage this was through the services, the Army folded the sleeves so the outside only showed, while the Marines had the inside of the sleeve exposed. Then the services went bat shit crazy, every service had their own camo and colors. The Marines even incorporated their emblem in their camo and patented it!!!!! What waste, I say that utility uniforms, duty uniforms should be examined by a committee of all services. I was in the Air Force for 6 years, I went into the property disposal office and purchased a surplus Air Force arctic parka. my brother had joined the navy and was stationed on a submarine. We wrote to each other and he remarked how cold deck watch was and asked me to send out my parka. I sent it out to him and the crew used that parka for deck watch. my brother phoned me one day and remarked how warm the parka was and said he wished he had the stock number for the parka. I told him it was on the label inside the collar. He tried to order 6 of them , it got as far as base supply when it was rejected because it was an Air Force stock Number. I say a joint committee should examine all proposed changes to duty uniforms if it is a cold weather jacket the best jacket should be chosen for all services. Service specific should only be allowed for Service uniforms, Dress uniforms. with the shortage of military funding changing uniforms over the past 20 years has been a extravagant waste of scarce funding!
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Sure, let’s all go with the best one - Marine Blues, Greens & cammies. Just as soon as everyone goes through Parris Island, San Diego or Quantico to earn the EGAs the go one them.
But seriously, NO, no way, no how. Go on up to Canada if you want that.
But seriously, NO, no way, no how. Go on up to Canada if you want that.
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LCpl Anthony Alexander
CPT (Join to see) Great post Lt. I was U.S.M.C. during the first Gulf War but went to the "dark side" (attached to 1 CD) for an '04-'05 Baghdad tour....lol. As the son of a WWII vet, I think the Army finally got it right if they go with the pinks&greens. Good looking uniform with nostalgia. I think the females are gonna look the best in them...lol.
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MSG John Wirts
No I did NOT suggest the universal PURPLE DRESS UNIFORM!!!!! I suggested the utility uniforms IN KIND, field jacket to field jacket, flight suit to flight suit. NOT UNCLE SAM"S MISGUIDED CHILDREN's Blue's, Greens. thweir temper tantrum would be devastating!
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I agree. Simple and easy. Way too much money wasted on trying to separate. As long as dress uniform is separate.
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LTC Michael Keenan
Combat uniforms are the real point of this discussion. Every large scale operation, e.g. division size and above, is a joint operation. It is important if for no reason other than avoiding fratricide that all of our folks deployed wear exactly the same uniform. Logistics also are simplified. No one is seriously suggesting that we all have the same dress uniforms. That would be even more stupid than rank on the chest and Velcro patch fasteners.
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PO3 Peter Lothrop
SSgt Vern Hoke] - I think you may mean in the early 90's not the 80's. I was on active duty with the Navy from 1979 to 1985 and we never had a change to our working uniform while I was on active duty. We never wore the BDU style uniform it was always the blue working shirt with rank on your left hand sleeve with a white under shirt with blue bell bottom type of pants, with black belts and black steel toe shoes.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
PO3 Peter Lothrop - When the DoD adopted the BDU all branches used it, including the Navy. It's just that the only people in the Navy who wore BDUs were the ones who went into the field like Corpsmen, SEALs, and SeaBees.
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As I say every time this question comes up... We used to have the same uniforms. There was a single camouflage utility uniform worn by all branches up until the Marines decided in 2003 that they needed something different and that started all this insanity.
Let each branch keep their distinctive dress uniforms but the cammies should be based on location of operations, not on which branch of the service you are serving in.
Let each branch keep their distinctive dress uniforms but the cammies should be based on location of operations, not on which branch of the service you are serving in.
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SN Greg Wright True, but the Navy also had Seabees, EOD, SEALs, etc who wore the same camouflage utility that everyone else wore. In fact they were still wearing it up until 2011, because that's the uniform I wore when I was stationed with the Seabees from '09-12.
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I say yes tot he utilities. We are in a joint environment and work alongside each other. The cost savings alone to the government over time would be phenomenal. If they do it, have the same utility uniform but have distinguishable service name tapes. Dress uniforms and ceremonial uniforms need to be unique though...that way each service keeps its identity.
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I agree all combat and work uniforms should be the same. Were as each branch should have their own unique dress uniform. Would save a ton of money and allow for optimal uniform. For the environment the service member was deployed. No reason for every service to have a different work or combat uniform. Dress uniforms are were the distinction should be made. As this is were Tradition comes into play.
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Absolutely not. If nothing else the Army uniform turnover and Beret debates are great sources of amusement to Marines.
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Lol sir. It’s especially amusing buying the uniforms as they come out. When I went Dark I just had to buy OCP and our new PT uniforms. Not looking forward to all the others
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We did for over 25 years, then Marines came out with MARPAT 2003, and that changed everything.
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You are correct, when I first joined, pretty much everybody wore some version of the BDU, they when the Marines changed everybody else decided they had to change as well.
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It also seems like many of our patterns are one war/operation behind in camouflage effectiveness. That may just be me though
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
It wasn't just the Corps adopting MARPAT, it was the Corps coming up with MARPAT and then copyrighting it and not sharing it with the other branches that caused this madness with all of the branches having their own camo pattern(s). I've always felt that the SecDef really should have ordered the Commandant to make MARPAT available for all branches and that they couldn't make it Marine Corps exclusive.
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Maj John Bell
Cpl Phil Hsueh - The Marine Corps did not copyright the MarPat. The United States government patented MARPAT, including specifics of its manufacture. By regulation, the pattern and items incorporating it, such as the MCCUU and ILBE backpack, are to be supplied by authorized manufacturers only and are not for general commercial sale, although imitations are available such as "Digital Woodland Camo" or "Digital Desert Camo". As such, any Federal Government agency branch, including each of the uniformed services could have selected it as their field uniform.
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No. I'm not privy to the reasons for the "push" to a generic uniform, but I suspect it's generally for reasons that have nothing to do with operations.
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It's not about generic...the best camouflage pattern should be the standard for all. The biggest problem is we now have generations of troops that believe they should have a service distinct utility/combat uniform instead of a functional one. It would save money and prevent duplication of effort and operationally functional for all.
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The only ones that have any argument against it are the Navy and Coast Guard, but even they have people on the ground, hundreds or thousands of miles from the nearest ocean.
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The dress uniforms is where the distinction should be. One the battlefield we're all fighting the same fight, most of the time in the same place, so why shouldn't we all look the same? That's why I singled out the sailors. They work in a very different environment so they shouldn't really have that need unless they're in a field that's going to put them in or near the fight.
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LCpl Shane Couch
SSG (Join to see) - for the most part I agree. But for the Marines to keep up with the camouflage utilities that the Army uses would be to costly for the Coprs. The Army seems to change its camouflage utilities patterns like they change their skivies. I have no clue as to why the AF needs tiger stripes though...
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The Army didn't go digital until the Marines did though. I think the wear out for the BDUs was like 2007. Then 2 or 3 years later the Army was going Multicam in the Stan because they realized UCP was the dumb.. lol
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Yes lets stop wasting money on so many different designs. When we had BDU's it worked fine and it didn't cost millions to design several ones.
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Each service has a distinctive uniform based on their own tradition. Are you ok with a coastie or zoomie wearing a Marine uniform?
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I was more referring to operational uniforms, sir. Think of the cost savings immediately and the unified front to pick the best camo for the current operation
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MSgt John McGowan
2Lt—- cost saving be damned, no one cares about that any more. You or I might but the top of the pile sure doesn’t.
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Distinctive uniform, field or dress, is a part of the service. I saw Sailors in Army ACU. Not so good. Especially when Army privates are saluting their e4s.
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Each branch should have their own individual uniforms. The Army needs to go back to soft caps. When they started handing out berets to everyone it took away lots of the pride and integrity and hard work from those whom had the fortitude to earn and and wear the maroon, green, and black beret.
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SGT Rick Myers own uniforms as in all types or specific types (utility, dress, garrison, etc)?
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SGT Rick Myers
We wore the BDU’s and jungles for everything when I was in. Then we had our class A’s and B’s. Dress blues were for the really special occasions. I believe our mess personnel had whites. But we are talking 30 some years ago. The Air Force had OD’s for work and Dress uniforms for their Occasions. It was easy to tell who was whom then.
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Each of the Services deserve to have their own distinctive uniforms as they define who they are and their part in the defense of our Nation.
Also depicts a good amount of each Services history.
Also depicts a good amount of each Services history.
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LTC John Griscom are you referring to all uniforms being distinctive or just the ceremonial/dress uniforms?
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LTC John Griscom
CPT (Join to see) - Good question. Combat uniforms could be the same, but the class A/B and dress uniforms should reflect the Service.
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CPT (Join to see) NO!
I believe each branch is unique & different....therefore, each branch deserves to have their unique and different uniforms. Perhaps in a "wartime" situation while in country, uniforms can be the same, since majority of folks over there are there for combat and may be a good thing to share one unique uniform.
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I believe each branch is unique & different....therefore, each branch deserves to have their unique and different uniforms. Perhaps in a "wartime" situation while in country, uniforms can be the same, since majority of folks over there are there for combat and may be a good thing to share one unique uniform.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
CPT (Join to see) - I believe each branch is unique & different....therefore, each branch deserves to have their unique and different uniforms. Perhaps in a "wartime" situation while in country, uniforms can be the same, since majority of folks over there are there for combat and may be a good thing to share one unique uniform.
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