Posted on Dec 7, 2015
Capt Bob Abbott
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I've been referred to a lot as "sir" and "Captain" here on Rally Point, but I've been out now for eight years. I'm just Bob. It makes me uncomfortable, not because I'm ashamed of my rank when I was in, but rather because as a veteran I feel like I have the same rank as all other vets, regardless of TIS or rank. What are your thoughts on this?
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SGT Patrick Reno
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I do it out of respect. That's the kind of people we are. Your neighbor might say Hey Bob, but I am going to call you sir.
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CPO Joseph Grant
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You can call me Joe, you can call me Chief, truly I don't care. Whatever makes people happy. I've been called names before that I'm sure I can't put on this site. I think it's more an active duty group that worries about it. Me I'm retired and the world can kiss my ass. I can prove I'm retired even have a pretty piece of paper they mailed me to prove it. LOL
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CPO Joseph Grant
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
See, you had an odd numbered Chief mentality trapped in an even numbered mind. You sure the MCPO wasn't still even numbered? Me, I retired when I saw the fitrep my alcoholic skipper wrote about me after firing me as DAPA. Just spent the rest of my time insulting the wardroom and whistling the Mickey Mouse club song.
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
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It was not awesome that you were fired as DAPA - but PHENOMENAL regarding the other stuff. I loved the blue side best of all - the green side I was attached to at the end was lily-skinned. I never seen so many offended people - then they heard me talk a few times... Lol
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CPO Joseph Grant
CPO Joseph Grant
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Best part was he was fired shortly thereafter because he not only got a DUI but tried to hide it. It's a BAD thing to piss off the Goat Locker. We were so happy to inform squadron that the CO had an oopsie out in town. Gotta love daily checks of court dockets online and news paper arrest reports. BTW, SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury I got fired because a few of myDAPA comments hit a little too close to home for the skipper.
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
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Hey, you had to keep the program going "in accordance with..."
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SGT David T.
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I feel like you do. It is very awkward to be called Sergeant now after I been out so long. I wish we could set my title to Mr. or not have one at all. I am just David now, Sergeant Thomas isn't who I am anymore.
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SGT David T.
SGT David T.
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SSG Mike Busovicki - I would be cool with it showing, just I would like a better way to identify how I prefer to be addressed.
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SGT Robert Deem
SGT Robert Deem
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I feel the same way. I think the "V" next to my name says it all. I didn't retire, so I didn't earn the title for life. I bank with USAA and they still address me by my rank when I call for service/support. I've asked them many times not to, but I guess it's their policy. Makes me feel so wierd...
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Sorry guys, once you earned the rank it stays with you. Just like "coach".
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Sgt John Earley
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I'm like Joseph Grant you can call me anything under the sun just don't call me late for supper... I have fun when I was in the service rank wasn't my title I guess... even though I was a lance corporal for three years I loved it I didn't have to order anyone around and I guess most of my friends were above lieutenants...i had one lieutenant that didnt like the way i was doing something so he was harassing me and I just went up to a colonel major major colonel and told him what was happening and they just took him out of our unit going someplace else... I have 29 days left in the Marine Corps and they wanted to give me a special court-martial because I had 289.3 grams of marijuana in my possession...they gave me a capt. For my judge and he was my CO in my last unit and he couldn't believe the major that accused me so he just dismissed the whole case and told me go have a good day and I still got out with an audible discharge...
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Does anyone else get uncomfortable when addressed by rank here on RP?
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I think I can speak for most of us still in the military that when we use your former rank or "sir/ma'am" when we address a veteran or retired member, it is done with the utmost respect. You have earned it, even if it was long ago.
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SFC Stephen Williams
SFC Stephen Williams
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I agree......everyone has earned their rank and should be proud of it.......even though I have been out for 28 years , when someone in here address me as SFC I know it is showing respect.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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100% correct
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Capt Bob Abbott I would gladly forgo my rank if it were an option. My title of Rabbah (Female version of rabbi) is far more important to me...
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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The title of Rabbah exceeds any Military rank. We had and Air Force Chaplin (priest) at our parish and he was always addresed as "Father".
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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Capt Bob Abbott I use sir here for emphasis, or tongue in cheek. Before I went into the Navy I worked in Security, and my supervisor actually had his rank within the security company printed on his checks. Not company checks mind you, but his personal Checking. He was so proud of it.
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CSM David Heidke
CSM David Heidke
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Capt Bob Abbott - I loved Captain Bob... He was from Brockton Massachusetts. Captain Bob Cottle. RIP... ;-)
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MAJ David Vermillion
MAJ David Vermillion
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Totally inappropriate langugage on Rallypoint!
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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SFC Joseph Weber
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If were sitting in the bar drinking I'd call you Bob. Since you have the rank up there it just seems natural to call you Sir.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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That' the way it is.
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1SG William Svoboda
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I really don't pay too much attention to it because it only happens here and when using military facilities. It definitely is out of respect. In my case, I retired as a 1SG but earned a Ph.D. and was Dr Svoboda for the last 20 years, (damn I've been retired 20 years already), but each time I visit a base or go space A I'm referred to as Top, 1SG ect. As a second career I worked in the GS world and my CAC card read Dr ... and so I had my retired ID with 1SG and my CAC card with GS13, Dr on it. But the bottom line is while we are a society with labels we are after all, just fellow humans and respect aside and I think it's been said before, just roll with it. I never read a disrespectful comment here related to o's vs non coms or vs versa. As a side note, I remember a guest speaker at the NCO academy where I was a SGL, state during his presentation that the Noncommissioned Officers are "Officers". Non-COMMISSIONED but Officers nonetheless and we should embrace that similarity and act as a professional CORPS with the same approach as our Commissioned counterparts and realize that attitude will improve working relationships. Since then and I know it sounds weird, but I looked at my rank and other Non-Coms differently and found greater acceptance and improved relations. After all we are one force divided by traditions, and customs and courtesies. Be proud of who you are, what you earned, and carry yourself accordingly. One of my all time favorite quotes is Act as if Someone's looking All the Time, because in the end someONE is.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Yes Sir, I remember that comment. We were also told we are wearing the uniform of the United States Air Force. And what we do reflects directly on us and the United States. SOOOO, BEHAVE YOUR SELFS!
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MCPO Roger Collins
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I usually use my first name for everyone to use, Its "Chief". Just an old joke, I wouldn't want people to think that a MCPO looks like I do today. It is fine for an intro by RP on our responses, but in the actual response, as Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?"
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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She would not know the difference!!
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PO2 Chief Executive Officer (Ceo)
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I agree, I've been out for 32 years! It doesn't even make sense any more. I think in some ways it's why Veterans have a hard time telling others they were in the military. You feel like you need to be able to show something to validate that and it's just not true. I'm proud that I served and I'm proud of my job and I'm proud of those that continue to serve.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Thank you PO2. A lot of Vietnam vets in between who were looked down upon, thus they did not say much about their service.
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MAJ David Wallace
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Totally with you on this, Bob! My title now is veteran since 2014!
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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I would hesitate to use that title myself. Retired since 1972.
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SGT Christina Barron
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Very valid point. But I think we have customs and courtesies beat into us, so it's hard to let them go. The only officer I've never addressed as, "Sir," is my Dad.
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1stSgt Donald Smith
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I was a 1stSgt, 38 years ago, but now I'm a Vet.

When someone addresses me as 1stSgt, it's usually another Marine.

I'll say to them kiddingly, take your pack off Marine...........My name is Don.......smile and say thanks.
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LCDR Chaplain
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Here, nah. Chaps, Rev., Dr., LT, pastor, padre, father, Adam (my first name, don’t really like posting that for the world to see, thus this is the only place you’ll see it on RP). Semper gumby. Doesn’t matter to me, 8th grade students have called me worse.
In uniform on orders with other SMs, I’m just plain old Chaps. Though the navy being what it is, I usually get called LT the first time, and then Chaplain when they figure out that’s what I am. I’m not here to bust your butt over a title, I’ve got enough anyway.
But if you’re older than me, well, I’m from the South. You’re a sir or ma’am. Always.
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Capt Skip Sponheim
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I AM A MEMBER OF THE MARINE CORPS LEAGUE. THE LEAGUE HAS NO RANK. THIS IS GOOD FOR THE ORGANIZTION AS IT STOPS A LOT OF "I AM BETTER THAN YOU" STUFF.BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WISH, AT TIMES, THAT I COULD SWING A LITTLE WEIGHT. AS ORGANIZATIONS GO, THERE IS NONE FINER FOR BROTHERHOOD.
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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One thing about it is we see how much we have in common, E-2 through E-9, O-1 through O-6. I like it even though we are all equal in our comments.
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Cpl Clinton Britt
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I don't really think that anything is meant by it. For most of us it is respect. I have quite a few friends that are CSM and they are retired. In my opinion, they will always be a SgtMaj. I meet them half way. I address them by their rank and thier first name.

I do have a Col friend and his name is Dave. I call him Col Dave because calling him just Dave makes me feel wierd
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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I think it is what's instilled in us. Any time I am addressing someone I know was an officer, it's Sir, Ma'am or rank. It's just common respect.
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SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury
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While we should be respectful to EVERYONE on this post - this is not a military environment. I retired and hung up the uniform; as long as people are respectable to me they can call me Tom.

My real issue is how some folks are so snide and disrespectful. Had a fellow Chief make a snide remark on a post and I think that people need to think before they speak. Not saying my feelings were hurt - just really hate disrespect. He would not have dare said that to me in person and if he did I'd have fired back. We are all a part of the smallest fraction of our Nation's population and forever will be. I think we should regard each other as family or at least the family we never had. Just my $0.02...
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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I am sorry Capt. but out of respect I will call you Capt. I don't know you personally so I feel out of place calling you Bob, unless you say so. I have a Maj (owner) and LTC who hunt on the same lease. Since we are all hunters, we go by first names. I had a 1st Lt. (while drinking at a bar) That his first name was "lieutenant". I said in that case, I am Sargent ---- and this is Airmen ---- and I think we should have another round. You earned the rank, so be proud but, you don't have to go around telling everybody your rank. This happened at the NCO club at Orlando AFB. The guy told this other guy--you can't talked to me that way-- i am an officer. The paratrooper cold cocked him and the manager threw him out/
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LtCol Robert Quinter
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Really have no preference. I consider this group to be exceptional individuals who, in one way or the other have served our nation. They earned the right to call me whatever they like. Would like to avoid some of the monikers my wife lays on me
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Hey, what's wrong with Honey,Handsome, Sexy, etc. LOL
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LtCol Robert Quinter
LtCol Robert Quinter
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Uhhhh, MAX? :) Back to the throttles Friend.
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Capt Richard I P.
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Capt Bob Abbott...I hear you bob. For Active Duty folks it is as natural as can be. For some vets it is nice to reconnect, for others it is more jarring. In the end I think the tagging makes sense for uniformity.
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SPC David Glines
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It don't bother me my RET. DOD ID has it on it and I earned it and the people from USAA call me by it but to each his or hers own.
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PO1 Brian Austin
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Personally it doesn't bother me either way. PO1, Brian, BA, it's all good.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Weird, does the BA stand for Bachelor of Arts or bad ass. Nobody has ever addressed me as MBA. (not mean bad a--)
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PO1 Brian Austin
PO1 Brian Austin
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They're just my initials, no cool story behind it or anything. Though at some duty stations so many knew me as just "BA", that when i'd use my rank or full name a lot of people would be like "who?".
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Cool, my son Thomas Kinderknecht is known through out the US as TK. he is a truck driver for Yellow Truck Lines so, he gets around. I find in amusing that the Army goes by specific rank while the Air Force it is either Airman or Sargent. Of course unless you are an E-9 in which case we refer to them as Chief. That was many moons ago, so hard telling what they call each other now.
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SGM David W. Carr  LOM, DMSM  MP SGT
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I think it depends and the situation. I like when I drive on Fort Hood and the guards address me by my Rank. I still have soldiers that remember me standing in front of my Battalion, during Brigade functions or boards. I will also use it on occasion with other Sergeant Majors that might have worked for me in the past.
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SPC David Glines
SPC David Glines
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same
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You can call me Captain, Sgt, hey you, Don, etc. Anything but late for chow.

Seriously, having someone address me by rank (either enlisted or commissioned) is an honor.
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SSG Audwin Scott
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SSG Audwin Scott
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I don't get uncomfortable but I understand what you saying, I've been retired almost 10yrs, you can call me Audwin, Red, Scotty, whatever you feel comfortable with but the use of rank is no longer necessary, know longer who I am.
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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I feel you. I don't like when people
Who I don't work for or with call me by my rank. I like just being called T.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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SFC (Join to see), I totally agree. Using rank on a social networking site with a bunch of strangers is kind of weird.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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SFC (Join to see) - SFC We are not strangers. We are all military and as such can address each other as rank as long as we know what it is,
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
No offense, but we are strangers. If wouldn't trust to give you keys to my home, then we're strangers. Both being military doesn't give us any familiarity, just a common profession.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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SFC (Join to see) - It can go either way. At some Congress investigation the General was addressing The Senator as "Madam". She corrected him and said my title is "Senator" General. The General corrected her by saying it is Major General Madam. And the world goes round and round. My Military nick-name is unprintable. If you were in civilian attire, I would not approach you. But in Military attire I might want to start a conversation. By the way, I don't give the keys to my house to anybody.
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SCPO David Lockwood
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Why? I will never feel uncomfortable in here. I will continue to give the common courtesies toward rank but won't feel uncomfortable.
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TSgt Eric Nordstrom
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When I was a child I was a cub scout, rank "Wolf". I was enlisted in the US Air Force and ranked a "TSgt". As a retiree and business owner, I am now an officer, rank "CEO". I tend to see the Air Force the same as I do the Cub Scouts now. Someday when I am elderly, I'll most likely see "CEO" as another transient phase.
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TSgt Eric Nordstrom
TSgt Eric Nordstrom
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Most likely, if someone is calling you Capt or Sir, it is because you proved yourself worthy of the Title at some point. Enjoy it, you earned it.
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Capt Bob Abbott
Capt Bob Abbott
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TSgt Eric Nordstrom - Well, I seem to have found a couple of the "bad apples" on RP, and they use the phrase "sir" derisively. Which I find interesting. One would think there's a lot more to troll me on than my rank. lol
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TSgt Eric Nordstrom
TSgt Eric Nordstrom
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Haters gonna hate.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Capt Bob Abbott - Yes Capt, they are amoung us.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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Hey Bob. Just don't call me late for chow.
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SPC Joshua Ulch
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You earned your rank, so why be ashamed or embarrassed? Own it. You earned it.
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I get that too. I think it has a lot to do with being an officer.
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SGT Richard H.
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For me, "Sir" predates the Military. I still do it. Even when I answer the phone and someone says "Hey, Rich, this is Bob Chambless", you're likely to get a cheerful "Yes, Sir"
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no i much appreciate this , and we all should be proud of what we are and once were.
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SrA David Steyer
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I don't care, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL
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Capt Bob Abbott
The main reason I normally address people by rank here on RP is because I "tag" them in my posts, but I agree with you.

I get kind of weirded out/annoyed when I show my retired ID to come on base and people say "Thank you Petty Officer" or even worse "Sir," LOL. I'm not an Officer dammit, nor am I really IT1 Miller anymore. Sure I could technically be recalled since I am still part of the "Fleet Reserve" but since I'm not active duty anymore, John will work just fine.
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I have no problem calling you Bob, now that I know you prefer it. It seems that a lot of people call me Sir or Mr., which I do not care for. I refer to officers as sir, ma'am, or by their rank, out of respect.
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Great question Bob. When I drive through the gate of a base, I prefer being addressed as MSG over Sir or "Thank you for your service". On RP, Wally works best for me.
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This is a great question. I don't feel uncomfortable being addressed by the rank I held while serving. I am out of the service now, but I recognize the context of the website. The context of the website is military. So, I roll with it.
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