Posted on Sep 11, 2016
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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This is why first line supervisors should "pre-inspect" their folks so there are no surprises.

This would have never made it past Team Leader to Squad Leader to Platoon Level.

Let's assume it's caught at Team level. The instant correction is to remove ALL ribbons, pending correction. Better to be "messed up" without than to be "messed up" with. Nuanced difference in screw up. Both wrong, but one is "more acceptable."

"If" there is time:

1) Have them assist me in the inspection process so they know what we are looking for.
2) Go with them to PX or Cash Sales and have them purchase the appropriate items. They purchase, I verify.
3) Have them pull out regulation manual (or appropriate orders), and create correct ribbon rack, and mount them correctly.
4) Repeat pre-inspection.
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PO1 Don Uhrig
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Perfect answer. If a subordinate makes a mistake like that, it's most probable a leader never took the time to teach.

In this case, well before the inspection the process should include:
1. Showing the junior member how to verify what ribbons they have earned.
2. Purchasing the right rack - no freestyling.
3. Purchasing replacement ribbons for any that are frayed or faded.
4. Using the ribbon ranking poster or internet tool to arrange in the correct order ensuring they are right side up in some cases.
5. Showing hot to carefully mount the ribbons on the rack.
6. Showing in the Uniform regs the proper placement of the rack on the uniform garment.
7. Providing verbal praise and letting the member know they are ready to teach others - with emphasis on using the regs - not guesswork.
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SPC Anthony Landon
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there's a CSM somewhere on Rallypoint losing his mind right now.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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There's a Master Sergeant here laughing.
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1LT William Clardy
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Only one?
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SGT James Jinnette
SGT James Jinnette
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Make that a CPO
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SSG AH-64D Armament/Electrical/Avionic Systems Repairer
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A whole bunch of us.
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CSM Bn Ssa
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I once had a SFC that had oak leafs on her overseas ribbon and NCOPDR...smh I pulled her a side and I told her that this was incorrect she just shrugged her shoulders and said well that's what's on my DA photo so it must be right. And to top it all off she did get selected for E8 on her first look. Just another example of how screwed up the promotion system is.
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MSG David Rogers III
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Similar. Had a SSG promoted to SFC with a DA photo that had the "Korean Service Medal" (for Korean War, 15 years before he was born) instead of the "Korean Defense Service Medal" (1955-Present). Nobody caught the "Bluebird" and white colored ribbon. (yes, that is the official color).
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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SFC Jeffrey Port - How long did you have to work for that asshat?
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SFC Jeffrey Port
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin - Not too long, not too long, I transferred afterwards. Later they had a big ftx planned, worked well on paper, this Cmdr asked me to stop by the unit for my advice, he refused it and the FTX was a complete cluster and half the units equipment was lost in transfer, you name it. He somehow found another unit, a long way off and was still there about 5 years ago.
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1SG Ronald Rieck
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SFC Jeffrey Port - I noticed an 0-3 in his photo hanging on the unit wall in the Puyallup Armory had an oak leaf instead of a Battle Star....His 1SG dropped the ball...
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How would you react if someone showed up to a uniform inspection with a ribbon rack like this?
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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Lol, you got me with that one!
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CPT Jim Schwebach
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Edited 9 y ago
As the recon section leader, my job was to insure that all of my people were squared away for those Saturday morning inspections. That meant that before you went anywhere Friday night your uniform passed a layout. That was my job. My Platoon Sergeant's job was to insure that I was doing mine. And the First Sergeant was responsible for insuring that the company he turned over to the Company Commander was prepared for inspection.
As a Company Commander encountering a trooper in this condition in formation I'd point out the problem to the Platoon Leader and move to the next Soldier. Not having fallen off the pickle truck the very morning of the inspection, I would also realize that, given that the likelihood that three, possibly four levels of professionals would not have failed in their responsibility, this was some sort of test. Regardless, when I gave the PL his platoon, I'd schedule a meeting in my office after the formation. When I turned the company back to the First Sergeant, there would be another, separate meeting scheduled.

BTW, this very thing occurred at the first uniform inspection held as a brand new Company Commander in the 82d. It was a conspiracy by my senior NCO's to initiate their new commander and they were all waiting in the First Sergeant's office after formation.
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SSG Eddie Helmling
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got to love a good humor NCO
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I think this is Pablo Picasso's uniform from his Navy days. It's worth millions.
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Maj John Bell
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I never had a SNCO, NCO chain fail like this. So I'd probably assume that I was having a really bad nightmare; then see if I could stop taking my anti-malaria meds.
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SGT English/Language Arts Teacher
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Seeing it is a Navy uniform, I am aghast! My father and five uncles were in the Navy! They would be livid!!!
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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Thank you I needed a reason to smile right about now.
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I'd promote him/her immediately with a direct commission into the Army Medical Department.
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LTJG (Join to see) Are you sure this isn't a case of shoplifted valor?
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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One could only hope!
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SFC Joseph Weber
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Since its a Navy guy I'd toss him off the boat. I'd aim for a spot without any rocks or docks or whatever you guys call all that crap.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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PO1 Richard Cormier - Ok, just giving you a hard time swabbie. My grandfather was in the Navy during world War One, My Dad worked at the Washington Navy Yard and Pearl Harbor as I was growing up for twenty years though he was Army during World War Two. Lived in Annapolis for five years. My Cousin graduated from the Naval Academy. I might have joined the Navy but at 6'6" I figured I'd be smacking my head on pipes all the time.
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PO1 Cryptologic Technician Collection
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SFC Joseph Weber - PO1 Richard Cormier - I think that is the patch that an undesignated seaman wears. I believe this is the uniform of a female undes sailor.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/support/uniforms/uniformregulations/chapter4/Pages/4221.aspx

See section 4224
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SFC Joseph Weber
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PO1 (Join to see) - PO1 Richard Cormier I was mostly enjoying the site of the individual flying off the side of a boat I had in my head.
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PO1 John Miller
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PO1 Richard Cormier
It's a female Service Dress Blue uniform, and the Anchor means the owner is non-designated and attended Seamen Apprenticeship Training after Boot Camp, and is assigned to Deck Division (a "Deck Ape").
I know this for a fact because I was a Deck Ape myself for 2 years.
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SGM Chief Executive Officer (Ceo)
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I would have said, "Great job, Seeeaaaman Schmedlapppp! You managed to get all those ribbons with all those sharp pins on without killing yourself from a massive loss of blood. I'm proud of you, son. Now I want you and everyone in your leadership chain in your Division to fall out of my formation and double time back to your rack. When you get there you are all gonna square away your yooouuuuneeeform then you're aaaalllll gonna reeeepoooort to my office post haste to show me you got it done right. Then we're all gonna have a little chat. How does that sound to you, Schmedlapppp? Good - FALL OUT!"
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SGT David T.
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Promote ahead of peers! This SM needs an award for original thinking!
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SGT David T. , that's just funny right there
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SGT David T.
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MSG (Join to see) - I am innovative leader lol
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PO1 Cryptologic Technician (Technical)
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Pull them aside and tell them they need to have a better ribbon rack; ask them questions if they have a way to get a proper ribbon rack; if they don't, I would give them an old ribbon rack of mine (like one that would have 4 areas for 4 ribbons). I would also explain to them that this is unacceptable and provide the instruction on how the ribbons should be placed on the uniform (in this case, female service dress blues).
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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Perhaps this was a new check in and someone was messing with her.. Other than that, I imagine someone did this on purpose for the reaction value. It's hard to imagine someone could be this jacked up.. but then again, I have been surprised before.
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PO1 Cryptologic Technician (Technical)
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LTJG (Join to see) - You know it's possible for someone to be hazed like this but there are people out there who don't care. And if I ran into this Sailor, I wouldn't have been the only one who said something to her.

A reservist just this past weekend had crows on his collar but no rank device on his cover. I asked him and he said that because it was given the wrong rank (E5 instead of E4). I told him, that usually you would not be permitted to wear the cover because it wouldn't be uniform. Either you have to get it correct or remove the crows and demote yourself.
But the reserves are a different animal all together.
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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Good on you for looking out and correcting a shipmate.
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LtCol J W
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In the Old Marine Corps, it would probably get him 5 days puss and punk. That's in the brig on bread & water to you newbies!
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PO1 Richard Cormier
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Kinda tough on the "teenie bopper aren't we sir? This is NOT a Military uniform. Either ROTC (doubtful) or Scouting.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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PO1 Richard Cormier - (J)ROTC has gold buttons (or did when I went through). I'd assume Scouting.
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LTJG Ansi Officer
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PO1 Richard Cormier again. That is an active duty uniform, with an active duty insignia, and active duty ribbons.
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SCPO Combat Systems Electronics Leading Petty Officer
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PO1 Richard Cormier - That's a female dress blue jacket with an undesignated seaman insignia.
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Capt Retired
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I sincerely don't believe this would have ever happened in the units I served.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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The reaction would not be positive I can guarantee that !
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That's for sure!
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SFC Daniel McIntire
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WTH! Get the service member and his first line leader, state the obvious. Then have that FLL ASSIST that member in 15 minutes and re-inspect. Counsel both!
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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pathetic
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