Posted on Jan 14, 2016
Is it a crime to wear medals/ribbons that you have not earned?
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Sgt Patrick Carron
Define 'crime'? It is wrong. If leaders get fired for displaying the wrong attachments, as they should, how is it not wrong for someone to wear something that they did not earn? Isn't theft defined as 'Taking something that was not earned?' My paycheck is not theft, even though it was someone else's money, because it was earned...okay anyone who knows me on the civilian side shut up, but you know what I mean. If it is not a 'crime' for someone to falsely wear them, it should not be a crime for me to properly 'train' them on what people risk earning them? After all, it is throat punch Thursday?
Define 'crime'? It is wrong. If leaders get fired for displaying the wrong attachments, as they should, how is it not wrong for someone to wear something that they did not earn? Isn't theft defined as 'Taking something that was not earned?' My paycheck is not theft, even though it was someone else's money, because it was earned...okay anyone who knows me on the civilian side shut up, but you know what I mean. If it is not a 'crime' for someone to falsely wear them, it should not be a crime for me to properly 'train' them on what people risk earning them? After all, it is throat punch Thursday?
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MSG Brad Sand
Capt Jeff S. -
Maybe a better wording of the question should have been 'Should there be a law written into the legal system making it a crime to wear medals/ribbons that you have not earned?' I think we all agree it is wrong but the issue is wear do we want to add a punishment for that wrong/
Maybe a better wording of the question should have been 'Should there be a law written into the legal system making it a crime to wear medals/ribbons that you have not earned?' I think we all agree it is wrong but the issue is wear do we want to add a punishment for that wrong/
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Sgt Patrick Carron according the recent United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit decision it is not a crime to wear medals and ribbons you were not authorized to wear. This is a follow-on to the SCOTUS decision that it is not a crime to purchase medals and ribbons you were not authorized to wear.
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SFC Carlos Cruz
Review the new update because it is a crime: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/258
H.R.258 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Stolen Valor Act of 2013
Summary of H.R.258 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Stolen Valor Act of 2013
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LTC Stephen F.
SFC Carlos Cruz - thanks for sharing the update. It is now a crime to wear medals for valor or combat badges that were not authorized. However it seems merit medals from good conduct medal up through Legion of Merit are not illegal. Also the Soldiers Medal and Marine/Navy Medal are not listed.
According to the link you shared:
Stolen Valor Act of 2013 - Amends the federal criminal code to rewrite provisions relating to fraudulent claims about military service to subject to a fine, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both an individual who, with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit, fraudulently holds himself or herself out to be a recipient of:
a Congressional Medal of Honor,
a distinguished-service cross,
a Navy cross,
an Air Force cross,
a silver star,
a Purple Heart,
a Combat Infantryman's Badge,
a Combat Action Badge,
a Combat Medical Badge,
a Combat Action Ribbon,
a Combat Action Medal, or
any replacement or duplicate medal for such medal as authorized by law.
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Wayne Brandon LTC Bill Koski Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSgt Robert Marx PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SGT Robert George SGT John " Mac " McConnell SP5 Robert Ruck SPC Margaret Higgins SGT Charles H. Hawes SGT (Join to see) Maj Marty Hogan
According to the link you shared:
Stolen Valor Act of 2013 - Amends the federal criminal code to rewrite provisions relating to fraudulent claims about military service to subject to a fine, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both an individual who, with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit, fraudulently holds himself or herself out to be a recipient of:
a Congressional Medal of Honor,
a distinguished-service cross,
a Navy cross,
an Air Force cross,
a silver star,
a Purple Heart,
a Combat Infantryman's Badge,
a Combat Action Badge,
a Combat Medical Badge,
a Combat Action Ribbon,
a Combat Action Medal, or
any replacement or duplicate medal for such medal as authorized by law.
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Wayne Brandon LTC Bill Koski Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSgt Robert Marx PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SGT Robert George SGT John " Mac " McConnell SP5 Robert Ruck SPC Margaret Higgins SGT Charles H. Hawes SGT (Join to see) Maj Marty Hogan
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SFC Carlos Cruz
LTC Stephen Ford; Roger the Law change unfortunately they didn’t apply all award to Stolen Valor.
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I think it is a matter of ethics, There are going to be those that lack ethics.
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Sgt Patrick Carron
I completely agree. But it makes me wonder what type of person they are deep down. Kind of makes me glad they never enlisted. I wouldn't want someone such as that watching my back going into a firefight.
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LCpl Domingo Ariza
I Think it is sad because of the psychological demon they have to fight. If you think about it, They think so little of themselves that they develop a persona, much like a child that is scared of his own shadow will pretend to be Superman in play or Spiderman.
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SPC (Join to see)
I think some of them believe their lies. They get into a mode of believing they served, go through the motions of telling everyone they did, then get stuck when their well-rehearsed life starts to fall apart. They can only lie so much before they start forgetting what they told to who. What amazes me are the older men and not the young people. There are more old geezers pretending to be veterans than these stupid kids claiming to be Rangers and SEALS and some are convincing to fool a lot of people. I'm of a suspicious nature anyway so I probably wouldn't believe them.
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legally...no. Morally and Ethically, Hell yes.
What has happened to this Country that liars and frauds are protected?
That was rhetorical by the way, I know what's wrong, just no real means to fix it. The election process is broken.
What has happened to this Country that liars and frauds are protected?
That was rhetorical by the way, I know what's wrong, just no real means to fix it. The election process is broken.
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Capt Jeff S.
How many politicians have exaggerated their military service and accomplishments? Far be it that those in charge of better people than themselves hold themselves accountable for exhibiting a lack of ethics, lack of integrity, and weak, spineless character that says, "Do as I say, not as I do!" Just an FYI... despite what Obama claims, "lead from behind" is NOT a legitimate style of leadership.
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PO2 Jeffery Reiser
It's a Kinder, Gentler world nowadays SFC Pete Kain... We wouldn't want to offend anyone!
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SGT Chris Hotchkiss
it is a crime, and is punishable via Criminal impersonation second degree for first time offenders...further offenses are more severe, up to 7 years prison sentence and/or fine.
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Unfortunately the Supreme Court of boobs said that making it illegal is a violation of your constitutional rights to free speech!!!! I am speechless!!! Why did I spend nearly 30 years of my life to defend this crap?
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MCPO Roger Collins
And yet there, are laws preventing the use of Law Enforcement uniforms and badges.
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SGT Chris Hotchkiss
it is a crime, and is punishable via Criminal impersonation second degree for first time offenders.
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SPC (Join to see)
I think for punishment they should be sent to a war zone for four years and used for target practice. Let them earn those ribbons the hard way dodging bullets.
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SFC (Join to see)
For the win 1SG (Join to see) As soon as I seen all the Fubar's it automatically reminded me of that scene...lol
Here's your 5 points. You may take them to the cashier for cash in.
Here's your 5 points. You may take them to the cashier for cash in.
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SSgt Michael Willett
SFC (Join to see) - its been around much longer than those movies.
There are other ones also which as a saved preacher......i will not share.
There are other ones also which as a saved preacher......i will not share.
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SSgt Michael Willett
As far as I remember 20 years ago when I retired from the Air Force, it WAS a crime to wear a medal you were not awarded. Ribbons like the "Outstanding Unit Award", could be worn if you were in a unit that had been awarded that honor. When you PCS'ed out it had to be removed as it was worn in honor of that unit. Wearing a medal that was not awarded should be a crime also for those separating the service. Not sure it is though.
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MSgt Dave Lilly
Actually you are correct SSgt Willett, the outstanding unit ribbon could be worn if the unit you were assigned to had earned it, but if YOU were assigned to that unit when it DID earn the award then the ribbon stayed with you throughout your career, and rightfully so. In that case you were a part of the unit that received the award and thus you played a part in the unit's accomplishment(s) that led to the award.
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It's stupid to wear what your not down for in your personnel file.
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Suspended Profile
His uniform is so messed up it is difficult to take him seriously. He looks like a mental case. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
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