Posted on Feb 14, 2018
What part of our society is ultimately responsible for the shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL?
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Beyond my utter shock and dismay at this latest school shooting, I ask myself why? Who failed “us”. why?
Do we need a ‘police state’ to moniter and report eveyone with an personality abberation?
Do too many of our citizens choose to look the ‘other way”’ rather than accept the responsibilty of reporting “deranged members of society”?
At age 12, in 1945, I was cleared to ‘fire at will’ on the farm. I possessed a 22 caliber rifle and the 410 shotgun arrived soon after.
Positive action is needed, your thoughts?
Do we need a ‘police state’ to moniter and report eveyone with an personality abberation?
Do too many of our citizens choose to look the ‘other way”’ rather than accept the responsibilty of reporting “deranged members of society”?
At age 12, in 1945, I was cleared to ‘fire at will’ on the farm. I possessed a 22 caliber rifle and the 410 shotgun arrived soon after.
Positive action is needed, your thoughts?
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The part of our society which allows the purchasing of this type of weaponry by a (Kid) ! This kid shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a weapon of this capability, or any other based on his history . Then again how does a gun shop know any of these issues, when running a background check. There's a need for a mandate stimulating stricter gun ownership , by a certain age bracket based on state and federal guidelines.
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I concur that the facts clearly show the shooters 100% responsibility in this horrendous crime ! As a member of the NRA and proudly supporter of the 2nd amendment, I question why does a (kid) need to poses an AR-15 etc ?
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SSG Edward Tilton
The mentally incompitent CAN NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE they are mentally incompitent. It's like blaming airline crashes on gravity. They are not living in our world, for them striking out is justified, just like buying a weapon that has no other purpose is somehow justified. Just because you can do something does not mean its a good idea
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Obviously we do need a Police State if we don't want thousands of children slaughtered
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The shooter is responsible... but the object is the MEANS. I reject the notion that w/o the prevalence of guns, we'd be seeing "mass stabbings"... it's simply not the same as being armed with a high-powered rifle! The proof is in the rest of the civilized world. It's only in the USA (outside of war zones, that is) where this is happening. That's proven. So, something is different HERE. Yes, the individual is to blame, but at the same time we have some issues in America that we need courage and leadership to address, and the overwhelming numbers of guns is certainly one factor.
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COL John McClellan
Not at all what I said. I have no issue if gun violence stats were re-configured. Sadly, the USA would still lead by a long margin, even with suicides removed. Regarding suicides, it's a complex issue - yes. I know the age demographics. Despite their age, these brother and sister Veterans are just as dead. Personally, I'd make it harder, yes, by separating the clinically depressed from their weapons. That's obviously not the whole story, but it would help. I did not see the "China stabbing" to which you refer in this article but you are correct - I misspoke referring only to the title - the article did present a timeline of several terrorist attacks in Europe. Those folks are at war with us. The deaths are just as real, but no, I don't consider it the same thing as our citizens murdering our own citizens. But the fact is after 9-11, we made it much harder to gain entry to, and turn a plane into a means for attack. But yet, we take no steps to make it harder to use guns - used to kill more people every year than died on 9-11, again, by a wide margin.
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MAJ (Join to see)
China actually does have mass stabbings regularly at their schools. It doesn't make the news here though, BBC is a more reliable source usually, but a search is rather eye opening. As for the success of gun controls or bans in other countries, there are a few fundamental differences. The countries who have been successful in this are usually more able to regulate their borders because they are much smaller or are islands. They also don't have the 2nd amendment and were able to implement controls that would be unconstitutional here. Finally, and I think most importantly, while the US has a higher gun homicide rate than many of those countries, the US actually has a lower violent crime rate than many of them, including Canada (the UN Office of Drugs and Crime statistics are quite interesting and can be searched here: https://data.unodc.org/#state:0). Just because gun homicides are not as prevalent somewhere does not mean people aren't murdered via other methods.
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SGM Bill Frazer
There was a kid shot somewhere the other day that attacked and injured 16 kids using 2 knives!
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COL John McClellan
SGM Bill Frazer - Yup, there's always a few. Let me know when the stats show 30,000 stabbing deaths a year in the USA...
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CSM Hayden,
I would treat this as a problem I used to have as an alcoholic many years ago. I found out through many AA meetings and counseling/group sessions that my problem was not the alcohol. The problem was or is, what led me to drinking, and that's what is going on here and other cases in the past. I still have some issues and embraced the fact that I won't be able to take a drink ever, I'm comfortable knowing that. I also think that part of the problem is at our homes where most parents try to be buddy buddy with their kids which in my opinion is a "no-go". All mine are in their 20s and I still tell them, "we're not homies". When you become their buddies, respect stops and authority figures is a none factor at that point. We have to really teach them that when you act or make certain decisions, there are certain implications. And when we don't like the implications or results of you bad decisions, this is what happens. I'm sure this individual has done this in the past, at a smaller scale maybe at home throwing or breaking stuff. That's when the problem should've been addressed, at home. I have turned to several news channels and they all saying the same thing, gun control, pointing fingers, etc. Tackle the real issues here...mental state and health of these kids nowadays. That's I work on everyday of my life, my mental state so I don't take that drink ever again.
I would treat this as a problem I used to have as an alcoholic many years ago. I found out through many AA meetings and counseling/group sessions that my problem was not the alcohol. The problem was or is, what led me to drinking, and that's what is going on here and other cases in the past. I still have some issues and embraced the fact that I won't be able to take a drink ever, I'm comfortable knowing that. I also think that part of the problem is at our homes where most parents try to be buddy buddy with their kids which in my opinion is a "no-go". All mine are in their 20s and I still tell them, "we're not homies". When you become their buddies, respect stops and authority figures is a none factor at that point. We have to really teach them that when you act or make certain decisions, there are certain implications. And when we don't like the implications or results of you bad decisions, this is what happens. I'm sure this individual has done this in the past, at a smaller scale maybe at home throwing or breaking stuff. That's when the problem should've been addressed, at home. I have turned to several news channels and they all saying the same thing, gun control, pointing fingers, etc. Tackle the real issues here...mental state and health of these kids nowadays. That's I work on everyday of my life, my mental state so I don't take that drink ever again.
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Its simple. The gunman, and the gunman only, is to blame. You can look at outside factors all you want, but at the end of the day, he made the conscious choice to pull the trigger.
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Want to see what is going to happen to our country, and what has been happening. Read the article from Sir John Glubb called "The Fate of Empires and the Search for Survival" He wrote it in 1976. Everything he said is coming true. Not a long read either, only 26 pages.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSLSMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" ThomasLTC Stephen F.SGT David A. 'Cowboy' GrothSFC George SmithCPT Jack DurishSSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"PO1 William "Chip" NagelTSgt Joe C.SP5 Mark KuzinskiMaj Marty Hogan MSG (Join to see) SSgt (Join to see) LTC Stephen C. LTC (Join to see) Capt Seid Waddell Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS My thoughts are that unfortunately there are some very deranged people in our society. However many don't show signs until to an act like such is committed. The other point I would like to make what are the Police to do if it's reported someone is acting strangely? They may come out and investigate they may not. Can they legally arrest the person for acting strange or deranged? If so he or she will be back on the streets in a few days. I am an legal gun owner and have been for over 30 plus years. By no means will I ever defend such a cowardly act as such. But my question will always be until there is a reasonable answer. Is the guns really the problem or the people?
Thanks for sharing,
Peace!
Thanks for sharing,
Peace!
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CSM Charles Hayden
SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter Your response re: ‘what can the police do’ made me think.
Could not the police, investigating a ‘unusual person’ conduct a Health and safety check of their abode and verify the legality of lethal weapons in their possession? Illegal items of course, would be confiscated.
Could not the police, investigating a ‘unusual person’ conduct a Health and safety check of their abode and verify the legality of lethal weapons in their possession? Illegal items of course, would be confiscated.
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All of us are in part to blame, School systems pay lip service to school security, the primary obstacle is admitting that their local schools are a target for a tragedy waiting to happen like the one in Florida. Money is the other obstacle yet many school systems are building new schools and fail to install serious effective security measures, yet we will spend billions on anti-gun ads as the fix.
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