Listen Now: First Mention: Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Targeted 'Deadbeat Parents' In 1995

Yeah what a paradox. The funny thing is the media and the bleeding hearts are as well as the pro immigrant Lobby that will never accept the law are upset at him. I believe that people got pulled over for legitimate reasons. The Catholic church and other social organizations will say otherwise. What hasn't been discussed is if Congress doesn't pay billions to build the wall, why not use the National Guard engineering assets as well as any Army Reserve engineering assets and build wall as part of their normal training. They won't be interfering with border patrols there's no Posse Comitatus issues just social justice Warriors and bleeding hearts having issues with it.

Thank you Kelli for the mention and the read.

Racial profiling is illegal. Violating a court order is illegal. The judge did not tell Arpaio that he couldn't turnover any detained illegal to ICE. He told him that his law enforcement will not use deliberate racial profiling techniques as part of immigration enforcement. We don't stop and question all Hispanics to determine immigration status. We don't stop and question all Muslims to determine if their suspected terrorists. We don't stop and question all Blacks to determine if they have an open warrant. We don't stop and question all White people to determine if they are Neo Nazis. Regardless of city, town, state, region, we do not allow racial or ethnic profiling be used to enforce laws. I prefer CBP across CA, AZ, NM, and TX actually check everyone's ID instead of just asking the question and at times they don't even ask at all.

Thanks LTC Ford for your excellent research !!!

Sgt Kelli Mays - Good Job Sgt Mays

Sgt Kelli Mays - well stated.

Sgt Kelli Mays - So while I am an ABSOLUTE supporter of the deportation of illegal aliens with the U.S.; I'd like to make a few points, and please tell me if it makes sense. Let me say it one more time; I am an advocate FOR deportation of illegal aliens within the U.S. I don't dislike the people, but we've got our own internal problems to deal with.

Based on your statement of, "I can absolutely without a doubt guarantee that 20% or more of the Hispanics/Mexicans here are ILLEGAL. " and we'll use Bexar County for the sake of example.

U.S. Census 2016, Bexar County:
Population estimates, July 1, 2016, (V2016) 1,928,680
Hispanic or Latino, percent, July 1, 2016, (V2016)(b) 59.9%
59.9% of 1,928,680 = 1,155,279 Hispanics or Latino

With your 20% illegal alien estimate, that is 20% of 1,155,279 = 231,055 illegals

While that is a VERY significant number of illegals, the portion that bothers me just as much is the number of Non-illegals (1,155,279 - 231,055)= 924,224

That is 924,224 Hispanic/Latino AMERICAN citizens who WILL also be stopped on potentially dishonest premises, purely to determine their citizenship statuses. I'm not saying the departments won't employ very targeted practices to ensure only illegal residents are caught up, but this is a drastic issue that MUST be considered and addressed. We CANNOT compromise the civil rights of full fledged American Citizens in this way, as it creates a dangerous situation for them, where it increases their chances of law enforcement interaction where they would have previously had none. In a perfect world scenario this wouldn't be an issue, but in the real world, once race profiling and citizenship determination stops become a blatant (rather than gray area understanding) factor of law enforcement stops (which it can be argued already is in some areas), it can lead to harmful practices that actual American citizens have NO way of defending themselves against. In those situations, regardless of how many decades the citizen has gone CRIME-FREE, in the eyes of the public, they are ALWAYS assumed to be a criminal if a police officer said they are.

While I believe Sherriff Arpaio had/has nothing but good intentions pertaining to fixing the illegal alien issue; his department initially went about in a way that violated the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment Rights of two American citizens and another valid Visa holder (and who knows how many others that did not file lawsuits), which is what led to his department losing their 287(g) authority (DHS authority to enforce Federal Immigration and Nationality Act). Here is a Conservative media reference on that (http://humanevents.com/2010/05/05/arrest-everybody/)

Reading the courts documents pertaining to the original injunction:
(https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3143975/ArpaioCharges.pdf)

"In December 2011, still well prior to trial in the Melendres case, Judge Snow entered
a preliminary injunction prohibiting Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office
(“MCSO”) from enforcing federal civil immigration law or from detaining persons they
believed to be in the country without authorization but against whom they had no state
charges. See Melendres, Order, ECF No. 494. The preliminary injunction also ordered that
the mere fact that someone was in the country without authorization did not provide,
without more facts, reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe that such a person
had violated state law. See id.
Arpaio violated that Order by causing the MCSO to detain persons the MCSO
believed to be in the country without authorization but against whom MCSO had no state
charges, and he thereby acted in disobedience or resistance to a lawful writ, process, order,
rule, decree, or command of a court of the United States. 18 U.S.C. § 401(3)."

The above is where they lost their 287(g) authority to enforce federal immigration law, as well, if they DID detain someone thought to be illegal, it had to have been determined in conjunction with them being stopped for a State violation FIRST; with the knowledge of the person being illegal not constituting a state violation. They specifically wanted Arpaio's office to ensure they had a State violation FIRST, in order to stop any inadvertent Constitutional violations.

Here is a full version of the court documents:
(http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/files/usa_v._arpaio_et_al__docket_n.pdf)

So my final question to you is; would you find it acceptable for U.S. Citizens' Constitutional Rights to be violated by law enforcement through broad sweeping acts of racial profiling?