Posted on Mar 28, 2018
Naval Academy dismisses New York mid for using racial slur
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Though I never liked hearing my kids as they were growing up call each other "nigga"....they all did it...no matter what color the kids are/were...it's something this generation did. It was in all of the music and still in some of the music...to this generation it was the "NORM."
Therefore, I can understand this Navy Midshipman using the language he did. It's ingrained/instilled in him...to him it's normal.....but did he take it too far? The Navy booted him for 3 instances on line when he used this...he did not use for RACIAL purposes or racial slurring...which is the reason the Navy booted him.... The Navy did not reprimand him, but instead booted him out. I feel the Navy should have reprimanded him...ONE TIME...and if he did it again, then boot him out.
A good friend of mine had a son who went to the Air Force Academy. A bunch of the cadets to include his son was busted for drinking alcohol...they were all reprimanded and told if caught again, would be booted out. Some of them including my friends son...went out and drank again...they were all booted out.
I personally feel it's wrong for the Navy to just boot this guy out.
What do you think?
Therefore, I can understand this Navy Midshipman using the language he did. It's ingrained/instilled in him...to him it's normal.....but did he take it too far? The Navy booted him for 3 instances on line when he used this...he did not use for RACIAL purposes or racial slurring...which is the reason the Navy booted him.... The Navy did not reprimand him, but instead booted him out. I feel the Navy should have reprimanded him...ONE TIME...and if he did it again, then boot him out.
A good friend of mine had a son who went to the Air Force Academy. A bunch of the cadets to include his son was busted for drinking alcohol...they were all reprimanded and told if caught again, would be booted out. Some of them including my friends son...went out and drank again...they were all booted out.
I personally feel it's wrong for the Navy to just boot this guy out.
What do you think?
Naval Academy dismisses New York mid for using racial slur
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United States Naval Academy (USNA) Racism
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The article doesn't mention if he was asked to stop using it, but focuses on the fact that it's "commonplace" in this generation. That's rich. I'm black and RARELY use it speaking with fellow black people being it's "commonplace" to say but also "commonplace" to get your ass beat if the person takes offense to it. So it's best not to, so you don't get "tested" or in his case sent packing.
Did the Navy miss a teaching moment? No. You're accepted into the academies due to your high moral fiber, and good decision making skills. If your "decisions" are based off what is "hip" then not only is any of the academies are the wrong place for you, the military itself might be the wrong place for you. There a LOT of younger individuals on this site, and I haven't seen any of them call me "nigga, porch monkey, tar baby, or anything else of the sort". I have not called anyone a racial slur not because of being booted, suspended or PC, but because I just won't do it, and know just because "Johnny said it, I can too". That's not a defense, it's a cop out.
Three EO complaints for questionable language would tell me he knew what he was doing, and got comfortable doing it. This IS a teaching moment for the rest of the Mids and Cadets of the other branches. Don't say anything you either cannot back up, can get relieved for, or know before you say it, it's inappropriate. Sucks to be him. Pay back that tuition buddy.
Did the Navy miss a teaching moment? No. You're accepted into the academies due to your high moral fiber, and good decision making skills. If your "decisions" are based off what is "hip" then not only is any of the academies are the wrong place for you, the military itself might be the wrong place for you. There a LOT of younger individuals on this site, and I haven't seen any of them call me "nigga, porch monkey, tar baby, or anything else of the sort". I have not called anyone a racial slur not because of being booted, suspended or PC, but because I just won't do it, and know just because "Johnny said it, I can too". That's not a defense, it's a cop out.
Three EO complaints for questionable language would tell me he knew what he was doing, and got comfortable doing it. This IS a teaching moment for the rest of the Mids and Cadets of the other branches. Don't say anything you either cannot back up, can get relieved for, or know before you say it, it's inappropriate. Sucks to be him. Pay back that tuition buddy.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
SSG Warren Swan MSG Dan WaltherActually, the article does indeed state that one of the persons who made the complaint wrote to him and said it was not cool...the other person who complained, an African American asked him to stop sending these images...basically they were cartoon/or some sort of drawing with the word(s) on the cartoon/drawing....so he was asked by both complainants to stop sending these type of MEME's.......Even though he actually did not speak the Word "NIGGA" or even type it...but instead sent a MEME....and forwarded it....it was taken as racial slurs....I agree...I don't like it...I don't condone it......but, I believe in Second chances... I guess I am a bleeding heart and believe everyone should get a second chance...to change...to apologize...and he should have been sent to mandatory counseling...to be taught a lesson and given a chance to straighten up.
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SSG Warren Swan
Sgt Kelli Mays - There is nothing wrong with giving someone a second chance. I'm all for it, and it's one of the things this country is supposed to do. But he was asked directly to stop once, that should've been his cue to stop there. To do it again whether using a meme, saying it directly or indirectly shows he was a bit "too comfortable". No one regardless of race has an inherent "right" to be "that comfortable". Like I said, I RARELY say it. I admit I'm imperfect, and I've had my cards pulled verbally and physically for saying it. To make it worse, I'm one of the darker shades in my family. Most would have you guessing if they're actually white, albino, or "mixed". All are black or straight up white.
He'll get a second chance. It just won't be as an officer (and maybe not even enlisted) in the military as a whole. His second chance will come as a civilian to atone for what he said by moving past it, making something positive of himself, and being an advocate for better racial relations. He's young, made a bonehead mistake, and can definitely rebound from it.
He'll get a second chance. It just won't be as an officer (and maybe not even enlisted) in the military as a whole. His second chance will come as a civilian to atone for what he said by moving past it, making something positive of himself, and being an advocate for better racial relations. He's young, made a bonehead mistake, and can definitely rebound from it.
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SSG Warren Swan
GySgt John Olson - My "generational" makeup has nothing to do with it when I have nephews who live with me and THEY were both born after Y2K and they DON'T SAY IT either. They're also black, so generation means nothing. When you get complacent in certain things, you get too comfortable, when you get too comfortable, you get your cards pulled. At least his were pulled in an administrative way, and in a manner where he can recover just fine.
What Hollywood gets a "pass" in saying doesn't represent real life, and in certain areas in this country calling someone of any race a racial slur will result in far more than a slap on the hand. Samuel L. Jackson has used it like candy in his movies, but in everyday conversation doesn't use it himself.
He should never had done it, his "generation" has nothing to do with anything other than using it as a cop out.
BTW I wasn't born in 74. I'm older than that, and neither of my parents allowed it. My mother is in her mid 70's, and when I slip today and say it where she can hear it, I will get my ass tenderized in kind. Granted it doesn't hurt nearly as bad physically as it used to.
What Hollywood gets a "pass" in saying doesn't represent real life, and in certain areas in this country calling someone of any race a racial slur will result in far more than a slap on the hand. Samuel L. Jackson has used it like candy in his movies, but in everyday conversation doesn't use it himself.
He should never had done it, his "generation" has nothing to do with anything other than using it as a cop out.
BTW I wasn't born in 74. I'm older than that, and neither of my parents allowed it. My mother is in her mid 70's, and when I slip today and say it where she can hear it, I will get my ass tenderized in kind. Granted it doesn't hurt nearly as bad physically as it used to.
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I am with LTC Stephen F. on this. I hear this term used a lot in school between the kids. I do not like it as it implies some unpleasant rhings for me growing up in the 60s. I too, think a warning to not repeat the offense, unless that was done already and ignored. Professional speech and behavior in all settings will keep you out of trouble and show appropriate respect for everyone.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
Exactly ma'am, I grew up hearing the N word thrown around like water, now it's not really cool to use, don't blame people for disliking the term, it is derogetory.
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MAJ James Woods
From reading the man's comments of defense, I would say he never accepted that use of it was unacceptable after multiple warnings.
As for LTC Stephen F. comment, it doesn't matter if you've heard several Black men or women use either the "-er" or "-a" version of the word, the Black community has been struggling at eliminating that language from our culture. This has been addressed in even the more popular Spike Lee movies of the '90s trying to educate the Black youths the inappropriateness and derogatory nature of this language.
So with all do respect, lets drop all the "That word is used among African American men and women in a much more relaxed way." so it must be acceptable. It isn't.
As for LTC Stephen F. comment, it doesn't matter if you've heard several Black men or women use either the "-er" or "-a" version of the word, the Black community has been struggling at eliminating that language from our culture. This has been addressed in even the more popular Spike Lee movies of the '90s trying to educate the Black youths the inappropriateness and derogatory nature of this language.
So with all do respect, lets drop all the "That word is used among African American men and women in a much more relaxed way." so it must be acceptable. It isn't.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
As a school counselor, I strongly discouraged the use of any of that language. I find it offensive, regardless of who says it or who it is said to. And since the young man was told it was offensive and continued the behavior, good riddance.
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Sgt Kelli Mays thanks for sharing an intriguing story about Midshipman 4th Class Ted Colter who is in his first year at the Naval Academy.
It may be a case of political correctness since he used the term n*gger at three times in his company.
That word is used among African American men and women in a much more relaxed way. Not a term of endearment but something akin to one unless an outsider says it.
It is strange to me that Midshipman 4th Class Ted Colter is being dismissed. For the sake of the Naval Academy, I hope this midshipmen has been disciplined for other infractions. If the only infraction is using the term n*gger within his own company . I expect he may be successful on appeal.
What do you think? COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Orlando Illi Lt Col Charlie Brown Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Maj William W. 'Bill' Price CPT Jack Durish Capt Tom Brown MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SGT (Join to see) Sgt Albert Castro SSG David Andrews Sgt Randy Wilber Sgt John H. CPL Dave Hoover SGT Mark Halmrast SPC Margaret Higgins SrA Christopher Wright
It may be a case of political correctness since he used the term n*gger at three times in his company.
That word is used among African American men and women in a much more relaxed way. Not a term of endearment but something akin to one unless an outsider says it.
It is strange to me that Midshipman 4th Class Ted Colter is being dismissed. For the sake of the Naval Academy, I hope this midshipmen has been disciplined for other infractions. If the only infraction is using the term n*gger within his own company . I expect he may be successful on appeal.
What do you think? COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Orlando Illi Lt Col Charlie Brown Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Maj William W. 'Bill' Price CPT Jack Durish Capt Tom Brown MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SGT (Join to see) Sgt Albert Castro SSG David Andrews Sgt Randy Wilber Sgt John H. CPL Dave Hoover SGT Mark Halmrast SPC Margaret Higgins SrA Christopher Wright
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LTC Stephen F.
Reference you comment under Lt Col Charlie Brown response MAJ James Woods "As for LTC Stephen Ford comment, it doesn't matter if you've heard several Black men or women use either the "-er" or "-a" version of the word, the Black community has been struggling at eliminating that language from our culture" :
It is laudable that some people are trying to reform cultural language.
As somebody born in West Philadelphia who served in the US Army in the 1970s as an enlisted man when racial strife was commonplace and violence was all-too-common I had to chuckle at your comment - not in attempt to belittle your viewpoint but recognizing that it is an uphill battle to change a culture or subculture.
Among the educated and upwardly mobile it is more commonplace for people to cast off
insulting epithets.
In May 1975 African American soldiers rioted at Fort Campbell after Rufus and Chaka Kahn left the stage and the Earl Scruggs review took to the stage. Racial beatings were commonplace in those days in the Army. Black on white, white on black - draftees who were still in uniform tended to itch for fights.
The insulting nicknames: chinks, crackers, honkies, kikes, krauts, niggers, nips, spics, wetbacks, wops were all thrown around with careless abandon.
I was raised by my British immigrant parents to respect everybody. My father was "color- blind" and it got him into trouble in our neighborhood. As his son I also got into fights with other children who were not interested in our perspective.
Certainly in some areas and circumstances people can take insults better than others.
Thankfully those dark days are generally behind us and most people now are more mature and respectful in discourse.
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It is laudable that some people are trying to reform cultural language.
As somebody born in West Philadelphia who served in the US Army in the 1970s as an enlisted man when racial strife was commonplace and violence was all-too-common I had to chuckle at your comment - not in attempt to belittle your viewpoint but recognizing that it is an uphill battle to change a culture or subculture.
Among the educated and upwardly mobile it is more commonplace for people to cast off
insulting epithets.
In May 1975 African American soldiers rioted at Fort Campbell after Rufus and Chaka Kahn left the stage and the Earl Scruggs review took to the stage. Racial beatings were commonplace in those days in the Army. Black on white, white on black - draftees who were still in uniform tended to itch for fights.
The insulting nicknames: chinks, crackers, honkies, kikes, krauts, niggers, nips, spics, wetbacks, wops were all thrown around with careless abandon.
I was raised by my British immigrant parents to respect everybody. My father was "color- blind" and it got him into trouble in our neighborhood. As his son I also got into fights with other children who were not interested in our perspective.
Certainly in some areas and circumstances people can take insults better than others.
Thankfully those dark days are generally behind us and most people now are more mature and respectful in discourse.
FYI Maj William W. 'Bill' Price Capt Seid Waddell Capt Tom Brown 1stSgt Eugene Harless MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SSgt Robert Marx SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"SCPO Morris Ramsey SGT Michael Thorin SGT (Join to see) SGT Robert George SGT John " Mac " McConnell SP5 Mark Kuzinski SP5 Robert Ruck SP5 Dave (Shotgun) Shockley Maj Marty Hogan CPL Craig Cheltenham
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