Posted on May 3, 2022
Opinion | The Women Who Had Abortions Before Roe v. Wade
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The end of Roe v. Wade is coming.
The Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling in June in a case from Mississippi called Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, and that ruling will likely overturn or gut Roe — that imperfect but critical precedent that has given Americans the right to abortion since 1973. Since Jan. 22, 1973, to be precise.
The week of its 49th birthday, Roe v. Wade is hobbled. Not only is it unlikely to make it to 50 in any recognizable form, but for millions of women across the country who live in states where abortion is almost unobtainable even now, it might as well already be gone.
Still, Roe’s demise will be shattering, and there is much work to do in preparing for it. One important part of that work is studying what came before. That’s not because what comes after Roe v. Wade will be the same; today, women have better access to information about safely managing their own abortions, and it is becoming increasingly easy to get hold of pills with which they can do so. The risks for these women are often more legal than they are medical.
The Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling in June in a case from Mississippi called Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, and that ruling will likely overturn or gut Roe — that imperfect but critical precedent that has given Americans the right to abortion since 1973. Since Jan. 22, 1973, to be precise.
The week of its 49th birthday, Roe v. Wade is hobbled. Not only is it unlikely to make it to 50 in any recognizable form, but for millions of women across the country who live in states where abortion is almost unobtainable even now, it might as well already be gone.
Still, Roe’s demise will be shattering, and there is much work to do in preparing for it. One important part of that work is studying what came before. That’s not because what comes after Roe v. Wade will be the same; today, women have better access to information about safely managing their own abortions, and it is becoming increasingly easy to get hold of pills with which they can do so. The risks for these women are often more legal than they are medical.
Opinion | The Women Who Had Abortions Before Roe v. Wade
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What a mess. Back to having women die on back alley botched abortion procedure, versus just allowing them to get the proper care. Very sad, in my opinion.
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SPC Kevin Ford
PO1 Jeff Chandler - There are several states that will make abortion disallowed. There are no states I know of pushing legislation to make elective abortion legal past the second trimester.
https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/14177/20211206/at-least-21-states-will-immediately-criminalize-abortion-once-roe-is-overturned.htm
https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/14177/20211206/at-least-21-states-will-immediately-criminalize-abortion-once-roe-is-overturned.htm
At Least 21 States Will Immediately Criminalize Abortion Once Roe Is Overturned
About 21 states will immediately ban abortion once Roe v. Wade is overturned by the United States Supreme Court through its decision on the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization case which will come out in June next year.
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SPC Kevin Ford
PO1 Jeff Chandler - Which states? What state can someone go to today and get an elective abortion past the second trimester? It is illegal for them to do it past the second trimester. Period. Can't do it. Federal legal precedent and I know of no state actively trying to change that.
Edit to add: Notice I'm talking elective abortions here. There are reasons it is allowed in the third trimester when it is required to save a life.
Edit to add: Notice I'm talking elective abortions here. There are reasons it is allowed in the third trimester when it is required to save a life.
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SPC Kevin Ford
PO1 Jeff Chandler - Once again. They don't have an explicit threshold in the state law because the second trimester legal threshold is encased in federal legal precedent.
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SPC Kevin Ford
PO1 Jeff Chandler - So I'm going to have to mea culpa that. You are correct that it is not covered in federal judicial precedent and some states to allow it.
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I'm curious to the people who have said on here "Banning guns won't stop people from buying guns" why do you ignore the fact that banning abortion won't stop abortion?
Why do conservatives hate people with uteruses?
Why do conservatives hate people with uteruses?
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Conservatives are only interested in rights that suit them. Everyone else is free game to them. They want to grant special rights to a fetus. Precedent as it pertains to SCOTUS means nothing to them. Brett and Neil lied to the senate about Roe. They do not care.
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SGT Shane Allen - The Hyde Amendment prohibits the use of federal money to fund abortions. Democrats in the House and Senate did leave it out of the budget but I don't think it's been approved yet. I can't find anything that says the Hyde Amendment was repealed. So - no one is paying for abortions with federal tax money. Also - how do you pay for abortion in the military? You know that TRICARE doesn't cover abortion at all right? For us on active duty, if we want one, we can't even get a referral from the MTF. We have to go find it on our own and pay for it. No one covers it in the military. So I'm not sure what you're talking about "in the military and contributions to Planned Parenthood." Cite anything to support that statement.
We are not the militia. They wrote it that way because they feared a standing army and wanted to be able to call up the people (who they made register their weapons and had stricter gun control than we have today) and not have to have a standing army. That obviously didn't last long. So no we aren't the militia. And "a group of farmers and merchants overthrew the most powerful empire in the world." I'm sorry where did you learn US history at? Because that is not all what happened. If not for France assisting the colonists, they probably wouldn't have won. Among other things...and the founders were all wealthy white men who really weren't concerned about the rights of anyone but other wealthy white men. Be realistic.
"And biology is pretty clear that it it takes a man and a woman to make a child." It takes a sperm to fertilize an egg and create an embryo - but you don't need a man or a woman interacting with each other to do that. I mean - IVF happens. Embryos are created in labs all the time. That's also something pro forced birthers ignore - IVF. Embryos are destroyed daily in IVF clinics. Oh also add in the fact that you have what they call "selective reduction" of embryos - but that's abortion too. None of you are protesting that. I don't see your people protesting IVF clinics where they abort embryos every day. Or the embryos that sit in storage for years upon years. Strange.
"As far as a vasectomy, I got one, because my wife and I did not want anymore children. It’s called individual responsibility. I did not expect the goverment to pay for it." - Why would the government pay for it? They don't pay for abortion. Also - I'm not talking about men who get a choice. If you are ok with the government taking away MY choice for MY body, YOUR choices get taken away too. All men. You lose the right to your bodily autonomy as well. It's only fair right? Also - you're lucky you get the opportunity to get sterilized if you want because for women, most doctors won't sterilize a woman even if she's already had a couple kids. It's extremely hard for women to get a tubal ligation or a hysterectomy and if they want one in their 20s - good luck.
"Prior to the introduction of birth control and free abortions, we had lower rates of teenage pregnancy and we did not have the epidemic of fatherless homes." This is complete bullshit. Cite your source on this because since Roe, abortions have decreased. Where are these "free" abortions at? There's no "free" abortions anywhere.
Make it make sense that BEFORE birth control there were fewer teen pregnancies. That is literally not true. Actually in states with comprehensive sex ed and affordable access to birth control there are lower rates of teen pregnancy than in states that promote abstinence only sex ed. That's based in facts. Not weird opinions like yours.
No one should have to start a fund to fly women to states that allow it. The states shouldn't be able to control anyone's bodies. I can't even believe you would type that and think "yep I'm good with that." You know what if I had $44 billion like Elon Musk has to buy Twitter, I WOULD use it for actual good. I WOULD use it to do things like end hunger, end poverty, fix the water crisis in Flint. And I would use it to STOP the madness going on with these Republican states who want to ban abortion and the end of Roe. Then no one would need "funding" to travel to other states to access medical care.
Also realize that the states with trigger laws ready to go are also going to criminalize anyone who goes to another state to get an abortion where it's legal. It's not going to stop there either. Then they'll go after birth control. They already are arresting women for miscarriages. It's not going to stop. The conservatives are going to do their best to return this country to where it was when women and people of color had no rights.
We are not the militia. They wrote it that way because they feared a standing army and wanted to be able to call up the people (who they made register their weapons and had stricter gun control than we have today) and not have to have a standing army. That obviously didn't last long. So no we aren't the militia. And "a group of farmers and merchants overthrew the most powerful empire in the world." I'm sorry where did you learn US history at? Because that is not all what happened. If not for France assisting the colonists, they probably wouldn't have won. Among other things...and the founders were all wealthy white men who really weren't concerned about the rights of anyone but other wealthy white men. Be realistic.
"And biology is pretty clear that it it takes a man and a woman to make a child." It takes a sperm to fertilize an egg and create an embryo - but you don't need a man or a woman interacting with each other to do that. I mean - IVF happens. Embryos are created in labs all the time. That's also something pro forced birthers ignore - IVF. Embryos are destroyed daily in IVF clinics. Oh also add in the fact that you have what they call "selective reduction" of embryos - but that's abortion too. None of you are protesting that. I don't see your people protesting IVF clinics where they abort embryos every day. Or the embryos that sit in storage for years upon years. Strange.
"As far as a vasectomy, I got one, because my wife and I did not want anymore children. It’s called individual responsibility. I did not expect the goverment to pay for it." - Why would the government pay for it? They don't pay for abortion. Also - I'm not talking about men who get a choice. If you are ok with the government taking away MY choice for MY body, YOUR choices get taken away too. All men. You lose the right to your bodily autonomy as well. It's only fair right? Also - you're lucky you get the opportunity to get sterilized if you want because for women, most doctors won't sterilize a woman even if she's already had a couple kids. It's extremely hard for women to get a tubal ligation or a hysterectomy and if they want one in their 20s - good luck.
"Prior to the introduction of birth control and free abortions, we had lower rates of teenage pregnancy and we did not have the epidemic of fatherless homes." This is complete bullshit. Cite your source on this because since Roe, abortions have decreased. Where are these "free" abortions at? There's no "free" abortions anywhere.
Make it make sense that BEFORE birth control there were fewer teen pregnancies. That is literally not true. Actually in states with comprehensive sex ed and affordable access to birth control there are lower rates of teen pregnancy than in states that promote abstinence only sex ed. That's based in facts. Not weird opinions like yours.
No one should have to start a fund to fly women to states that allow it. The states shouldn't be able to control anyone's bodies. I can't even believe you would type that and think "yep I'm good with that." You know what if I had $44 billion like Elon Musk has to buy Twitter, I WOULD use it for actual good. I WOULD use it to do things like end hunger, end poverty, fix the water crisis in Flint. And I would use it to STOP the madness going on with these Republican states who want to ban abortion and the end of Roe. Then no one would need "funding" to travel to other states to access medical care.
Also realize that the states with trigger laws ready to go are also going to criminalize anyone who goes to another state to get an abortion where it's legal. It's not going to stop there either. Then they'll go after birth control. They already are arresting women for miscarriages. It's not going to stop. The conservatives are going to do their best to return this country to where it was when women and people of color had no rights.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC (Join to see) No, the majority of times, kids are NOT removed for financial reasons. They are removed for abuse or neglect. Occasionally they are removed because the parents can no longer handle the unruly child. And the child welfare system shells out FAR more to pay for services for bio parents than it pays out for foster or adoptive parents.
Quit spouting BS.
We do EVERYTHING we can to keep a kid with their parents. If the kid is removed, we do EVERYTHING we can to get the parents straightened out and the kid BACK to the parents.
You know when it DOEAN'T happen? Two cases: 1) the parent is substantiated for SEVERE abuse. Not just abuse, severe abuse. Even then, if only one parent is substantiated, we will work with the OTHER parent, if they are willing to separate and not allow contact between the abusive parent and the kids. Or, 2) The parents are unwilling or unable to follow a COURT ORDERED plan to rehabilitate themselves.
And #2 is BY FAR more prevalent. The state only takes final responsibility when the parent is unwilling.
Yet another call from a liberal to take my wages so they can throw money at a problem that money can't fix.
Quit spouting BS.
We do EVERYTHING we can to keep a kid with their parents. If the kid is removed, we do EVERYTHING we can to get the parents straightened out and the kid BACK to the parents.
You know when it DOEAN'T happen? Two cases: 1) the parent is substantiated for SEVERE abuse. Not just abuse, severe abuse. Even then, if only one parent is substantiated, we will work with the OTHER parent, if they are willing to separate and not allow contact between the abusive parent and the kids. Or, 2) The parents are unwilling or unable to follow a COURT ORDERED plan to rehabilitate themselves.
And #2 is BY FAR more prevalent. The state only takes final responsibility when the parent is unwilling.
Yet another call from a liberal to take my wages so they can throw money at a problem that money can't fix.
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SPC David Willis
PO1 Jeff Chandler - Ah all those people who were protesting outside abortion clinics holding up religious signs containing scripture and references to hell must have been misguided by their christ...
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