Posted on May 4, 2022
Remember when Republicans were pro-choice? Conveniently, neither does Samuel Alito
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"My grandmother is 84. She drives a hybrid and has a deeply impractical white leather sectional in her lakeside condo — all the sand? all the wet bathing suits? — and is a registered Democrat.
She also goes to Mass every Sunday, and being a good Catholic, feels more comfortable with the Church’s pro-life stance than with her granddaughters’ pro-choice one. (That keeps her in line with the Church’s official teachings, but not with the majority of U.S. Catholics, of which I and her other granddaughters no longer identify: as of 2019, the majority of Catholics in the U.S. agree that abortion should be legal in all or most cases.)
My grandmother grew up in a time where her views on abortion weren’t at odds with her political party. In 1972, hers was the party of good Catholic values, and more Republicans than Democrats — 68% to 59% — agreed that abortion should be decided only by a woman and her doctor, not the law"
She also goes to Mass every Sunday, and being a good Catholic, feels more comfortable with the Church’s pro-life stance than with her granddaughters’ pro-choice one. (That keeps her in line with the Church’s official teachings, but not with the majority of U.S. Catholics, of which I and her other granddaughters no longer identify: as of 2019, the majority of Catholics in the U.S. agree that abortion should be legal in all or most cases.)
My grandmother grew up in a time where her views on abortion weren’t at odds with her political party. In 1972, hers was the party of good Catholic values, and more Republicans than Democrats — 68% to 59% — agreed that abortion should be decided only by a woman and her doctor, not the law"
Remember when Republicans were pro-choice? Conveniently, neither does Samuel Alito
Posted from independent.co.uk
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It is noteworthy that this article is from a British news outlet my liberal brother-in-Christ PO1 William "Chip" Nagel.
[Update] Since a couple have focused on the UK definition [since I am British heritage child] republican in UK is not the same as republican in USA [the party of Lincoln].
1. Republican is not a synonym for conservative.
a. The Republican party is now the big tent party [RHINO, Log Cabin Republicans, etc].
b. Once the Democrats kicked out the blue dog democrats they became more lockstep.
Past mistakes don't justify future error in judgement. As you know, associate justices nominated by conservative republicans have disappointed many in their rulings and the same for liberal democrats [although to a lesser degree]
2. Caveat I was a liberal democrat until a couple years after the LORD regenerated my soul. Being a liberal or conservative politically is not crucial.
a. Being conservative when reading scripture [exegesis] as opposed to self-absorbed [eisegesis literally means "to lead into," which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text]
3. Associate Justice Samuel Alito is wise enough to recognize that choice requires a direct object to be meaningful. He has a vast knowledge of legal decisions and precedents It is ludicrous to state Samuel Alito ... does not remember when Republicans were pro-choice.
a. The crux is neither democrat nor republican. The pro-induced abortion-for-any-reason supporting folks tried to take control of the word 'choice' long ago.
b. It is a canard to post that a sitting associate justice is focused on a political viewpoint. Even Associate Justice Ginsburg [who was pro-abortion] recognized that Roe v Wade was a horribly flawed ruling and commented on it well before her death.
As a Republican voter since 1990, I am pro-choice on many topics like most of the Republicans and few of the democrats I personally know
Choice is irrelevant unless a direct object is linked to it. As in choice of ....
1. During the Civil War era many republicans were pro-choice on slavery while most democrats were staunch slavery supporters from New Your through Florida.
2. Being a Roman Catholic is oftentimes a social statement instead of being somebody who places full trust in God and HIS Word. I know many Roman Catholics who subject their will to God's when push comes to shove.
3. Roman Catholics who support induced abortion as a right and any other right which indicates they trust their own judgment over a relationship with God [not a choice implying yes and no are valid] will be judged by God as I never knew you .... since they place their will above their desire to have a personal relationship with God.
4. Induced abortion was prevalent during Biblical times practices by Romans, Greeks, and many of the provinces. The Biblical language never included support for the practice. God is primarily interested in relationship and HE is a jealous God
5. Induced abortion is a choice made by somebody for their own reasons. The Federal government should not be dictating a right to abortion [Roe v Wade overrode over 30 state constitutions] Individual states should make the determination per the US Constitution which specifies that the states are authorized to develop law, rules, etc on areas not specified to the Federal government.
Image: Deuteronomy 30:19 'I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,'
What do you think? Sgt (Join to see) SGT James Murphy PO3 Edward Riddle SMSgt Lawrence McCarter SMSgt Tom Burns CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw Col (Join to see) MSG Mark Rudolph LTC John Shaw LTC John Mohor LTC John Griscom COL (Join to see) SGT Mary G. SGT Tiffanie G. Sgt Diane E. SPC Michael Terrell SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. MAJ Roland McDonald
[Update] Since a couple have focused on the UK definition [since I am British heritage child] republican in UK is not the same as republican in USA [the party of Lincoln].
1. Republican is not a synonym for conservative.
a. The Republican party is now the big tent party [RHINO, Log Cabin Republicans, etc].
b. Once the Democrats kicked out the blue dog democrats they became more lockstep.
Past mistakes don't justify future error in judgement. As you know, associate justices nominated by conservative republicans have disappointed many in their rulings and the same for liberal democrats [although to a lesser degree]
2. Caveat I was a liberal democrat until a couple years after the LORD regenerated my soul. Being a liberal or conservative politically is not crucial.
a. Being conservative when reading scripture [exegesis] as opposed to self-absorbed [eisegesis literally means "to lead into," which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text]
3. Associate Justice Samuel Alito is wise enough to recognize that choice requires a direct object to be meaningful. He has a vast knowledge of legal decisions and precedents It is ludicrous to state Samuel Alito ... does not remember when Republicans were pro-choice.
a. The crux is neither democrat nor republican. The pro-induced abortion-for-any-reason supporting folks tried to take control of the word 'choice' long ago.
b. It is a canard to post that a sitting associate justice is focused on a political viewpoint. Even Associate Justice Ginsburg [who was pro-abortion] recognized that Roe v Wade was a horribly flawed ruling and commented on it well before her death.
As a Republican voter since 1990, I am pro-choice on many topics like most of the Republicans and few of the democrats I personally know
Choice is irrelevant unless a direct object is linked to it. As in choice of ....
1. During the Civil War era many republicans were pro-choice on slavery while most democrats were staunch slavery supporters from New Your through Florida.
2. Being a Roman Catholic is oftentimes a social statement instead of being somebody who places full trust in God and HIS Word. I know many Roman Catholics who subject their will to God's when push comes to shove.
3. Roman Catholics who support induced abortion as a right and any other right which indicates they trust their own judgment over a relationship with God [not a choice implying yes and no are valid] will be judged by God as I never knew you .... since they place their will above their desire to have a personal relationship with God.
4. Induced abortion was prevalent during Biblical times practices by Romans, Greeks, and many of the provinces. The Biblical language never included support for the practice. God is primarily interested in relationship and HE is a jealous God
5. Induced abortion is a choice made by somebody for their own reasons. The Federal government should not be dictating a right to abortion [Roe v Wade overrode over 30 state constitutions] Individual states should make the determination per the US Constitution which specifies that the states are authorized to develop law, rules, etc on areas not specified to the Federal government.
Image: Deuteronomy 30:19 'I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,'
What do you think? Sgt (Join to see) SGT James Murphy PO3 Edward Riddle SMSgt Lawrence McCarter SMSgt Tom Burns CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw Col (Join to see) MSG Mark Rudolph LTC John Shaw LTC John Mohor LTC John Griscom COL (Join to see) SGT Mary G. SGT Tiffanie G. Sgt Diane E. SPC Michael Terrell SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. MAJ Roland McDonald
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Stephen, the article is talking about the GOP, not UK Republicans.
Also, you should check out which justices were in the majority in the Roe v Wade decision. Half of them were/were appointed by republicans.
Also, you should check out which justices were in the majority in the Roe v Wade decision. Half of them were/were appointed by republicans.
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LTC Stephen F.
As I was trying to make clear this is not a Republican nor Democrat issue SGT (Join to see) I was conceived in London and raised by British Parents [liberal] and am well steeped in British tradition and knowledge of the USA history.
I edited my response and included the following to clarify my position
[Update] Since a couple have focused on the UK definition [since I am British heritage child] republican in UK is not the same as republican in USA [the party of Lincoln].
1. Republican is not a synonym for conservative.
a. The Republican party is now the big tent party [RHINO, Log Cabin Republicans, etc].
b. Once the Democrats kicked out the blue dog democrats they became more lockstep.
Past mistakes don't justify future error in judgement. As you know, associate justices nominated by conservative republicans have disappointed many in their rulings and the same for liberal democrats [although to a lesser degree]
2. Caveat I was a liberal democrat until a couple years after the LORD regenerated my soul. Being a liberal or conservative politically is not crucial.
I edited my response and included the following to clarify my position
[Update] Since a couple have focused on the UK definition [since I am British heritage child] republican in UK is not the same as republican in USA [the party of Lincoln].
1. Republican is not a synonym for conservative.
a. The Republican party is now the big tent party [RHINO, Log Cabin Republicans, etc].
b. Once the Democrats kicked out the blue dog democrats they became more lockstep.
Past mistakes don't justify future error in judgement. As you know, associate justices nominated by conservative republicans have disappointed many in their rulings and the same for liberal democrats [although to a lesser degree]
2. Caveat I was a liberal democrat until a couple years after the LORD regenerated my soul. Being a liberal or conservative politically is not crucial.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
..."When we use history as a convenient pall for obstructing an argument rooted in morality, whether that argument is about racism or abortion or another topic, we do a disservice to everyone that history impacts.
To everyone, that is.
You cannot pull language from American Constitutional amendments and conveniently forget the history around their ratification. The irony of using the Fourteenth Amendment to deny women rights on the basis of history and tradition — when, per that history and tradition, they wouldn’t be allowed to vote today, yet alone have free rein over their bodies.
Being malleable with meaning and memory might have won the Republicans a few presidential elections in the 1980s. But it has no place on our highest court of law."
..."When we use history as a convenient pall for obstructing an argument rooted in morality, whether that argument is about racism or abortion or another topic, we do a disservice to everyone that history impacts.
To everyone, that is.
You cannot pull language from American Constitutional amendments and conveniently forget the history around their ratification. The irony of using the Fourteenth Amendment to deny women rights on the basis of history and tradition — when, per that history and tradition, they wouldn’t be allowed to vote today, yet alone have free rein over their bodies.
Being malleable with meaning and memory might have won the Republicans a few presidential elections in the 1980s. But it has no place on our highest court of law."
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