Posted on Nov 13, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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Fatigue, battledress and other work and combat uniforms had subdued rank most of the time. Some ranks are very distinctive such as Captain [double bars], Colonel [eagle], and General Officer [black star or multiple]. However 1st LT and Warrant Officer looked very close and sometimes Majors and Lieutenant Colonels looked very close especially in the rain, snow, etc.
When I was a private in the 1970s I couldn't tell sometimes if a LT or a Chief Warrant Officer was approaching me. I would salute usually and wasn't sure at that time if I was supposed to salute Warrant Officers.
Did you have trouble recognizing officer rank?
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LTJG Richard Bruce
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New uniforms have gone to cloth insignia, so this problem may not exist now. But when working around ammunition or high voltage motors/switchboards, I removed all metal from my uniform. Not uncommon to go hours without any insignia aboard ship. When conducting boardings at sea, entire team would remove insignia to not make rank obvious to the detainees. While in port, I would briefly leave the ship in plain navy blue coveralls without collar devices, but wearing a ball cap with the CG officer "Eagle" device. It would confuse many on Navy bases. Never bothered me that few new I was an officer.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks for responding LTJG Richard Bruce cloth sew on insignia versus Velcro insignia. Cloth is generally safe but Velcro can certainly create static electricity which like metal rank can be risky in a volatile environment such as around fuels.
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Orlando Illi Lt Col Charlie Brown Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Maj William W. 'Bill' Price CPT Jack Durish Capt Tom Brown MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SGT (Join to see) Sgt Albert Castro SSG David Andrews Sgt Randy Wilber Sgt John H. CPL Dave Hoover SGT Mark Halmrast SPC Margaret Higgins SrA Christopher Wright
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SGT Carl Blas
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Never had a problem of identifying the officers, TOP always told us that as enlisted men, we were responsible to know all our officers, and to recognize an officer with respect.
And don't even let the CSM, get on your case about not respecting the officers, he spit out FIRE.
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SGT Carl Blas
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In the 82nd we always respected the officers, Sir, we might not have liked the man, but we respected the Rank and Uniform.
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I couldn't see what the person was and I ran into a tree while looking for his rank. Turned out it was a Private!!! Then I got yelled at by this very buxom Butter Bar for staring at her chest, even though I just trying to detect her rank (for fifteen minutes). I can't win for losing. AND I'M RETIRED!!!
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SPC (Join to see) - I've always loved the Italy and its culture. The language is so poetic. And the names are equally flowery...like yours. Definitely not a John Brown, Jim White, and Joe Black!!!
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SCPO (Join to see) - Grazie per vostro complimento, signore. L'individualità è una cosa per cui lottare.
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SPC (Join to see) - Sì lo è. E tu sei il benvenuto.
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PFC Zanie Young
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I know that feeling well, Chief! Today's uniforms are so confusing...
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Cpl Scott McCarroll
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LTC Stephen F., when I got out of Boot Camp and was on the way home, I was saluting and asking Bi your leave sir to anything that even looked like an Officer, this included airline pilots who had dark jackets with a couple of gold stripes on the sleeves. Looking back I have got to admit just how funny that is. LMAO
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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I came close to saluting a few airline pilots myself.
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SGT Lee Jamison
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The only ranks I have trouble distinguishing at times are 1SGT and SGM. It’s hard to tell if it’s a little bitty diamond or a little bitty star until your up close and personal.
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SSG Keith Amacher
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Yeah agree and 1st SGT should be addressed as Top and any Sergeant Major should be addressed as Yes Sir Sergeant Major, they earned that. Do Not Ever Mess with a Sergeant Major... They are the work horse top dog for any Lt COL or above and well you don't mess with them...
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LTC Vice Commander
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Because of my poor eye site, I saluted several eldely SPC (s) when the ACU came out :)
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God, I hated when it started getting dark at the end of the day. My eyes were just not up to the task. Plus, we had a 2-star whose stars blended into the camouflage pattern. (Fortunately it didn't take long to just recognize him by sight.)
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And another good story. When I retired and was on my first contract I was in Habbainyah in Iraq. The Marines were trainers and mentors for the Iraqi Army and coordinated for me on Maintenance and getting the Iraqis to bring in their vehicles. There was a Marine Warrant Officer That everyone was calling Gunner. I did not know that was a nickname for Marine Corp Warrants. I thought his little red bar was Lieutenant rank. One day I needed to talk to him so I went to the Marine 1SG I dealt with all the time and asked him where I could find 'Lieutenant Gunner'. Once again education for me from the First Sergeant and a Marine Staff Sergeant. No pushups this time. Just lots of mocking and laughter.
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LCDR Retired
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Yep, the Marines use "Gunner" as you say. They have a lot of other colorful terms too, some VERY SIMILAR to Navy lingo. Served with them BOTH.
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PFC Zanie Young
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Lol... I know the feeling and I'm a soldier!
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CPO Randy Francis
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When I was a Petty Officer First Class my unit (a Seabee detachment at the time) was conducting training at an Army National Guard post. As a group of us were entering the chow hall we encountered a bunch of junior soldiers (E-1 to E-4s). As we passed them they all rendered smart salutes with "Good morning sir" which I smartly returned with a "Good morning Private/Specialist". The other guys with me were dumb founded and quickly caught up with me and asked what was going on. Having been prior service in the Army I knew exactly what had happened and passed it on to the other 5 PO1's. The soldiers had only seen the "crow" (eagle actually) at the top of our rank insignia and not the stripes underneath. They thought they were passing 6 full bird Colonels going into the mess hall as they were leaving. Probably thought it was the biggest gathering of Colonels they had ever seen. Rather than correct them I just chose to satisfy their desires to salute.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks for taking the time to render crisp salutes to the junior soldiers CPO Randy Francis. That experience of coming across six bird-colonels probably stuck with those soldiers for many years to come.
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Mine was always Navy Chiefs and Naval Officers. No clue how many Chief got saluted outside the NAS North Island Chow Hall.
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MSgt Daniel Attilio
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I was going to make the same comment. They really screwed up the "if it shines salute it" thought.
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Easy there 1stSgt Jim S. Marine Corps Officers are also "Naval Officers:, just not Navy Officers.
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PO2 Pamela Perry (Sanders)
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I was an enlisted Coastie. I spent most of my time at DINFOS returning salutes from senior officers.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding PO2 Pamela Perry (Sanders) and letting us know that while you were assigned or TDY at the Defense Information School (DINFOS) those below other-service officers ranked below a Colonel O-6 frequently saluted you :-)
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