Posted on Jun 4, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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SFC Gary Burress
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I used to donate blood every time I was eligible but since about 2000, I am refused since I was in Germany for two years in the early 80s. I can only imagine that the blood banks are really hurting because vets and active duty service members have always been a major contributor. If it is not one reason to deny vets the right to donate blood it is the other.
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LTC Stephen F.
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FYI my friend SFC Gary Burress it appears the rules for donating blood have changed. Only those living or being stationed in the British Isles, of France or Ireland for 5 or more years are restricted based on living or being stationed in Europe.

Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
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SFC Cindy Paris
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I too tried to donate blood and because I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's I also cannot donate. Seems to me that by now they would have something in place to test the blood for Mad Cow.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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I was at Rhein Main 1980 to 1983
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Col Carl Whicker
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Lt Col Charlie Brown - I was at Ramstein when you were at Rhein Main, then we were at Rhein Main 1986-89. Had a tour at HQ MAC in between!
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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Col Carl Whicker I was at Ramstein 88-91 at the Aerial Port
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Col Carl Whicker
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Things. were changing fast during that time, after the Wall came down. I was at the Pentagon, then.
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Sgt David G Duchesneau
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When I was on Active Duty, I gave blood all the time. Hell, gallons of the red gold but ever since I came down with cancer, I can no longer donate my blood. They won't even take a drop. Believe me, I tried!
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Sgt Michael Johnson
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I was told while on active duty that I couldn't donate blood. Did you take the nerve gas pills or anthrax vaccine?
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Cpl Tyler Payne
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Sgt Michael Johnson - I took the anthrax vaccine back in 2005/2006 was told not to donate blood.
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SPC James Seigars
SPC James Seigars
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Sgt Duchesneau, I was told I couldn't donate blood anymore after I came back from Iraq in 2004, not because of the Anthrax shots but because I had inhaled smoke from a burning sulfur plant while there for two/three weeks. Our filters for the NBC mask only lasted one/two weeks and the plant burned for one/two months before being extinguished and I was told my blood is toxic to other people & could possibly kill someone if transfused.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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SPC James Seigars - I would tak to a doc with some expertise, if your blood became toxic, not possibly infectious, it would simply have killed you.
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SSgt Terry P.
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Malaria
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LTC Stephen F.
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I am sorry to learn that you were stricken with malaria SSgt Terry P.. I hope your malaria symptoms have faded away.
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SSgt Terry P.
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LTC Stephen F. - Thank you,sir,the symptoms only reappear when i am very stressed or my immune system is low.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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I'm turned down because of all the meds I take. I used to be able to give blood. I started a blood drive where I worked for a friends baby that was born with Sickle Cell Anemia. The company continues to have blood drives twice a year.
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LTC Stephen F.
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I am glad to learn that the blood drive you initiated is still being continued by the company SGT (Join to see)
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Our church has a blood drive twice a tear. After donating all the blood I used to, I feel left out now. I want to so much, but can't. I'm glad Goodyear is continuing to have blood drives too.
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SGT Tresa Silva-Rooks
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I'm on blood thinners and other meds that I'm on so no donation. I used to.
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It kinda sucks doesn't it?
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SPC William Weedman
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I believe I have donated for the last time to the ARC. I am moving to Europe this fall and as far as I'm aware that blood ban is still in effect. I will donate to the Dutch Red Cross I'm sure they will welcome my A- blood type. I had a scare in the early 2000s over my assignment to Korea, but that was I guess a non-issue as I was never asked about it again.
Someday the ARC will suddenly need blood and then work on getting all of us veterans who have no issue with rolling up our sleeves back into the donate again category.
For the record the mad cows in Europe are tasty!
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LTC Stephen F.
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SPC William Weedman, I hope you will be able to donate blood and that you won't need to draw any blood form the blood banks.
I hereby nominate you for charter membership in the angry cow brigade - Europe contingent.
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SPC Margaret Higgins
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Thank you, SGT Anthony Bussing.
LTC Stephen F. I am not allowed to donate blood because of all of the medications I take-specifically my psychotropic medications.
However, I will donate my organs; once I have passed away.
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SGT Forrest Stewart
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I stopped donating blood when the red cross denied help when my grandfather in 1981. Sorry.
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
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We all have our Screwed Up Red Cross Stories. My mother died about the same time my plane landed when I took Christmas leave from AIT. My Aunt contacted The Mighty Red Cross because I didn't tell any one I was coming home and wanted to spend time with friends first. The RC contacted my unit with a messed up SSN, which ironically, was that of a classmate who was not going home. They sent her home, her family was not home, the neighbors saw lights, called the police, a real cluster! My aunt called the Army recruiter when the RC gave her the run around about me having been sent home.He had seen me with friends. So, he was the one who've me the info and took me to my families home.
Score another one for the MIGHTY RED CROSS. I have them for the WWII POWs, too. I give my own blood when I am having surgery after the HIV and Brian White..I figure there is something else. Then there is what they did in Haite. I never donate money to them either. Salvation Army gets my money.
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SSG Eddye Royal
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Sorry to hear.
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SGT Forrest Stewart
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SFC (Join to see) when I made this post, I missed a very important word. When I was in basic, my grandfather died. I was notified and was granted emergency leave. Red Cross refused to help me get home for his funeral. He wasn't considered immediate family, so they would not help.
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SGT Forrest Stewart
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LTC Stephen F. they didn't refuse to help him, sir. They refused to help me get home for his funeral. He passed away when I was in basic.
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I can't give blood, but only because I am on blood thinners.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Col (Join to see) thanks for reminding me. I was on coumadin follwing mitral valve repair surgery in 2003 but am now only taking the 81 mg aspirin as a blood thinner.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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The same for me, and malaria before that
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SCPO Clark Gertner
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I am a 3 striker: I was in Nam in the mid-late 60s and, therefore, unable to donate blood. I was in Central and South America in the years after and, therefore, unable to donate blood. I contracted Hepatitis, probably in SE Asia and, therefore am unable to donate blood. There are many reasons for being dropped from donor lists. With some conditions, you can still donate platelets. I was really bummed over being unable to donate any longer but the blood supply's purity is more important than my feelings.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding SCPO Clark Gertner and letting us know you are no able to donate blood because you contracted Hepatitis in southeast Asia probably.
I am sorry that you too can not donate blood - even platelets.
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