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I personally believe that if a solider did something worth awarding, it should be given to them following that event. These pcs/etc awards where they sit around and try and say nice things about you seems to loose its value. Have you seen anyone ever reject an award?
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Yes. George C Scott refused his Academy Award for Patton. Otherwise, no.
COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen F. SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen SPC Woody Bullard 1SG Steven Imerman SFC William Farrell Lt Col Charlie Brown Col Carl Whicker SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson LTC (Join to see) SGT Charlie Lee Maj William W. 'Bill' Price PO1 H Gene Lawrence SPC Randy Zimmerman LTC Wayne Brandon PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SPC Douglas Bolton PVT Mark Zehner
COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen F. SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen SPC Woody Bullard 1SG Steven Imerman SFC William Farrell Lt Col Charlie Brown Col Carl Whicker SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson LTC (Join to see) SGT Charlie Lee Maj William W. 'Bill' Price PO1 H Gene Lawrence SPC Randy Zimmerman LTC Wayne Brandon PO1 William "Chip" Nagel SPC Douglas Bolton PVT Mark Zehner
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
You beat me to it. Although I did have a discussion with a Marine Major who worked for me who said he wouldn't accept any end of tour award when he left HQUSCENTCOM. I left before him so don't know what happened.
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CPL (Join to see) You can make a scene and refuse to accept it, but once the Issuing HQ issues it via permanent orders, it's going in your Official file at DA, will be on your SRB, and will be required to match in your DA Photo. You've got it whether you wanted it or not. Accept it for all the times you should have been recognized and weren't. Accept it on behalf of your team mates who helped make it happen.
Not telling you you have to go to the PX and get an AAM decal to add To your ARB (automotive record Brief on your back window). Accept it and wear it properly.
The reasoning behind the phenomenon we know as the PCS award is because people weren't getting recognized for anything. Morale was low. I remember when the PCS award came to be standard practice circa 1994. Additionally, the individual atta boy moments sometimes did not hit the AAM, ARCOM or MSM level. But demonstrate over time you can do great things, now you are hitting award criteria. You had Joe's with coins and COAs but it wasn't earning them promotion points. The senior leadership across the Army determined that soldiers, unless otherwise documented, surely would have done something worthy of an award (and yes a COA is an award). How that manefested in the 11th ACR where I was leading my Platoon was:
- if the soldier was a dirt bag, but was not otherwise flagged or barred, you had to counsel them on a DA Form 4856 why they were not being recommended and recognized. (Hardly anyone did this, jerk move. Though there were a handful)
- soldiers who were ineligible for awards in AR600-8-22 were counseled via DA Form 4856. (Flag, bar, negative Chapter)
- Soldiers who were eligible were recommended by their first line leader when they hit the loss roster or were 60-90 days from ETS. It was left to the soldier's chain to determine the appropriateness of the recommended award based on manner of performance and nature or responsibilities. At the time specialists were routinely section sergeants and squad leaders, working with increased responsibility beyond their grade. then there were rank and file specialists. We had a Corporal that was in charge of the 11th ACR Horse Detachment as an example...public facing regiment level function. Usually a SSG or SFC does this. Senior TOW missile repairer on Ft Irwin was a SPC.
Not telling you you have to go to the PX and get an AAM decal to add To your ARB (automotive record Brief on your back window). Accept it and wear it properly.
The reasoning behind the phenomenon we know as the PCS award is because people weren't getting recognized for anything. Morale was low. I remember when the PCS award came to be standard practice circa 1994. Additionally, the individual atta boy moments sometimes did not hit the AAM, ARCOM or MSM level. But demonstrate over time you can do great things, now you are hitting award criteria. You had Joe's with coins and COAs but it wasn't earning them promotion points. The senior leadership across the Army determined that soldiers, unless otherwise documented, surely would have done something worthy of an award (and yes a COA is an award). How that manefested in the 11th ACR where I was leading my Platoon was:
- if the soldier was a dirt bag, but was not otherwise flagged or barred, you had to counsel them on a DA Form 4856 why they were not being recommended and recognized. (Hardly anyone did this, jerk move. Though there were a handful)
- soldiers who were ineligible for awards in AR600-8-22 were counseled via DA Form 4856. (Flag, bar, negative Chapter)
- Soldiers who were eligible were recommended by their first line leader when they hit the loss roster or were 60-90 days from ETS. It was left to the soldier's chain to determine the appropriateness of the recommended award based on manner of performance and nature or responsibilities. At the time specialists were routinely section sergeants and squad leaders, working with increased responsibility beyond their grade. then there were rank and file specialists. We had a Corporal that was in charge of the 11th ACR Horse Detachment as an example...public facing regiment level function. Usually a SSG or SFC does this. Senior TOW missile repairer on Ft Irwin was a SPC.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SSG Roger Ayscue - you'll never see the public conversation if your CDR and CSM are worththeir salt, but as a BDE DCO and BN XO I have seen it happen. If the Commander knows the soldier first hand, it can and does happen. The struggle with the CSM is usually maintaining a sense of consistency in decisions (conscience of the command) which works so well at times, there is a perception of transactional awards, if I do x y and z I get this, if I do w x y and z I get this other thing. If I have three of these I automatically get this other thing. Awards are all supposed to be based on the merits of the individual 638: manner of performance and nature of responsibilities.
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I heard more than once of of awards being downgraded because a soldier doesn't have the next lower award. A SPC well deserving of an ARCOM, serving in place of an SSG, not getting primarily because of not having an AAM. A CPT getting a MSM downgraded to an ARCOM because the records of more than one prior ARCOM were missing after a break in service. A soldiers service either was or wasn't deserving of a particular award and maybe it should be downgraded upon review but I've never seen anything in regulation about lower awards being a requirement for a higher award.
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Thank you my friend CPL (Join to see) for posting an interesting question.
Thank you my friend SGT (Join to see) for mentioning me.
Musical folks have been known to reject awards including John Lennon in 1969 and David Bowie rejected two
1. John Lennon returned his MBE to the Queen in 1969,
2. David Bowie turned down not one but two awards from Her Maj? First Bowie was offered the CBE in 2000, the year of his triumphant headline set at Glastonbury; he politely declined. In 2003 David Bowie also rejected a Knighthood: “I would never have any intention of accepting anything like that,” he said. “I seriously don’t know what it’s for. It’s not what I spent my life working for.”
3. Axl Rose refused to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with the rest of his former Guns ‘n’ Roses bandmates last year.
4. Additionally Kanye West, Jay Z rejected awards.
Background from {[https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/10-artists-who-turned-down-awards-with-style-764420]}
FYI Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen Lt Col Charlie Brown MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. SMSgt Lawrence McCarter SMSgt David A Asbury PO1 William "Chip" Nagel PO2 (Join to see) SGT James Murphy SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D SPC Michael Oles SR SPC Michael Terrell SPC Nancy Greene Sgt (Join to see) Maj Marty Hogan LTC Greg Henning GySgt Thomas Vick PVT Mark Zehner
Thank you my friend SGT (Join to see) for mentioning me.
Musical folks have been known to reject awards including John Lennon in 1969 and David Bowie rejected two
1. John Lennon returned his MBE to the Queen in 1969,
2. David Bowie turned down not one but two awards from Her Maj? First Bowie was offered the CBE in 2000, the year of his triumphant headline set at Glastonbury; he politely declined. In 2003 David Bowie also rejected a Knighthood: “I would never have any intention of accepting anything like that,” he said. “I seriously don’t know what it’s for. It’s not what I spent my life working for.”
3. Axl Rose refused to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with the rest of his former Guns ‘n’ Roses bandmates last year.
4. Additionally Kanye West, Jay Z rejected awards.
Background from {[https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/10-artists-who-turned-down-awards-with-style-764420]}
FYI Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen Lt Col Charlie Brown MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. SMSgt Lawrence McCarter SMSgt David A Asbury PO1 William "Chip" Nagel PO2 (Join to see) SGT James Murphy SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D SPC Michael Oles SR SPC Michael Terrell SPC Nancy Greene Sgt (Join to see) Maj Marty Hogan LTC Greg Henning GySgt Thomas Vick PVT Mark Zehner
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Yes...I have a buddy who deserves a Purple Heart, and he has turned it down, because he lost too many friends in Nam.
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Patricia Overmeyer
SPC Douglas Bolton: Hubby turned down two Purple Hearts after he received his first one in Nam. He said several others did the same thing. The medics were dumbfounded that the Purple Hearts were turned down by the grunts. The thing that galled Hubby and his unit was when they found out there were other units that received unit citations for firefights, etc. but not theirs.
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I knew an soldier that tried to turn down a CAB. A mortar had shredded a nearby office (luckily the staff was out) and one piece of shrapnel went through the door of the TOC at low velocity. When presented with his CAB he said something along the lines of: "I don't want it. I didn't even get up from my desk."
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I mean... I suppose you don't HAVE to keep or wear anything you were awarded.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SSG (Join to see) - I used to not wear my badges because the younger, dumber version of myself used to think that badges were just for vanity.
It took me a while to understand how important the little distinctions can be in introductory interpersonal communication. First impressions, and all that jazz...
It took me a while to understand how important the little distinctions can be in introductory interpersonal communication. First impressions, and all that jazz...
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SFC Michael Hasbun - That is me. I go back and forth because...part of me is on the side of badges and medals shouldn't be how I am characterized. The other part of me knows...it is.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
SSG (Join to see) - exactly. It allows us to skip a couple steps in the getting to know you phase...
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I wear my marksmanship badge. It's a silly tradition that officers don't wear them. Same for the drivers badge.
I get to shoot most years once and in that is the for SAQ and I've often been the Range OIC. So even if I only qualify Markman I think that's pretty good for having only shot zero then one qual table. Now if I was in a job that went to the range often I'd expect to be shooting even better.
I get to shoot most years once and in that is the for SAQ and I've often been the Range OIC. So even if I only qualify Markman I think that's pretty good for having only shot zero then one qual table. Now if I was in a job that went to the range often I'd expect to be shooting even better.
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Can a soldier refuse to receive an award? | RallyPoint
If yes, what could be the consequences?I believe the purpose of competition in the Army is to bring out the best in soldier and also to help allocate the manpower within the unit. But working for awards and recognitions can create an unhealthy competitive environment and more if one's investment only benefits self and doesn't add any value to the unit as a whole.
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Awards get approved and rejected everyday. If the events listed in the warrant are able to stand alone submit it but end of your awards happen because they have the ability to combine events over a period of time to ensure the award gets approved.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - The recipient rejecting the award? I've seen folks not want an award and they forgo the big ceremony for a closed door presentation which results in them just being handed the device and shaking their hand. I've also seen folks not want to wear it but eventually they come around when the Senior Enlisted folks get all rankled about it.
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Various commands do devalue awards, and that irritates to no end. Even so, did you deserve the award for something you did at some point? If so, then grin and bear it. Just like getting a speeding ticket: You may not deserve it right then and there, but you likely deserve it for something you did at some earlier point. Making a big fuss about it is exactly the wrong thing to do.
Chances are that you may have had an award delayed or rejected by someone in the CoC previously, with the assumption that you'd receive an EoT/PCS award eventually. In other words, you were supposed to get that award, but it just came later.
This is similar to when someone receives an award, but the writeup is for some made-up BS or for some vague garbage undeserving of recognition. Chances are the person deserved an award for something earlier, but they missed out on it for one reason or another. Or they deserved the award for something they did, but the writeup can't reflect it for "reasons". It seems like BS, and it might seem to have lower value for that, but that's how it is.
Most of those awards mean something else, besides whatever they were written for. It's become common practice to just accept that whomever received the award deserved that award - even if it's technically for something stupid like "doing your job". Besides, it potentially helps on advancement, which isn't a bad thing.
As for the chest candy, how much of that really matters?
Chances are that you may have had an award delayed or rejected by someone in the CoC previously, with the assumption that you'd receive an EoT/PCS award eventually. In other words, you were supposed to get that award, but it just came later.
This is similar to when someone receives an award, but the writeup is for some made-up BS or for some vague garbage undeserving of recognition. Chances are the person deserved an award for something earlier, but they missed out on it for one reason or another. Or they deserved the award for something they did, but the writeup can't reflect it for "reasons". It seems like BS, and it might seem to have lower value for that, but that's how it is.
Most of those awards mean something else, besides whatever they were written for. It's become common practice to just accept that whomever received the award deserved that award - even if it's technically for something stupid like "doing your job". Besides, it potentially helps on advancement, which isn't a bad thing.
As for the chest candy, how much of that really matters?
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