Posted on Jun 4, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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The likelihood is that none of us are infected. If we were we would be dead. The incubation time is relatively short. We need to write to our Congressional representatives and push them to turn this around. Only political pressure works.
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SSG Eddye Royal
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LTC Stephen Ford, I as stationed in Augsburg, Germany in the late 1980’s, I will go and get mine checked, its been a while since I’ve had mine done.
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MAJ Bob Firth
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No offense dude, but I will pass on the mad cow blood, as well as the HIV blood if I need a transfusion.
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LTC Stephen F.
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I was glad when I received 15 units of blood at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in March 2003 the blood was not tainted with HIV MAJ Bob Firth.
The first week was spent keeping me alive but later I had blood tests which confirmed no HIV.
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Sgt John H.
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Good deal!
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MAJ Bob Firth
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In Europe when Chernobyl went off. They asked me that once. Also got anthrax vaccination which knocked me out too.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding long ago MAJ Bob Firth and letting us know that yo cannot donate blood because you were stationed in western Europe when Chernobyl Nuclear facility melted down [25–26 April 1986]. Thanks as well for letting us know that because you were vaccinated against anthrax that stopped you from donating as well.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Any time I give blood, due to time in Europe, Africa, etc- I have to go thru 10-15 minutes of questions and book searches to see if I'm qualified. (I'm) Tho for about 8 or so yrs after GF1 I was disqualified due to the shots/pills.
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do the RAPIDS and it is much easier - same day and at home
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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After donating blood for years suddenly I was banned because I was stationed in Germany in the 1980's. Apparently due to Mad Cow disease. What is sad is that I have a rare blood type and am constantly bombarded by the Red Cross to donate blood. I have to wonder though, what about the gallons I donated before I was banned?
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LTC Stephen F.
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I concur with you my friend SMSgt Thor Merich
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I lived in Europe during the Mad Cow Scare as it seems a bunch of us did. We all know prions can take 20 or 30 years to lead to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Brother,if I need a transfusion, your blood is my blood and is good for me.
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LTC Special Operations Response Team (Sort)
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there are reasons one of which is travel to a malarial borne area. you will be barred for several years.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding LTC (Join to see)
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LTC Owner
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The Army said I may have been exposed to mad cow disease when I was stationed in Germany in the late 70s.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks LTC (Join to see) for letting us know that you also are not authorized to donate blood because you were stationed in Germany in the late 1970's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."
FYI per Red Cross
In general donating blood is acceptable as long as you have been medically evaluated and treated, have no current (within the last 6 months) heart related symptoms such as chest pain and have no limitations or restrictions on your normal daily activities.
Wait at least 6 months following an episode of angina.
Wait at least 6 months following a heart attack.
Wait at least 6 months after bypass surgery or angioplasty.
Wait at least 6 months after a change in your heart condition that resulted in a change to your medications.
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SGT Michael Thorin
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LTC Stephen F. mine are all secondary to my service in Iraq. With all of the disease processes in my body I can no longer donate blood or organs.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks my friend SGT Michael Thorin for weighing in on this discussion.
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SGT Michael Thorin
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You are very welcome LTC Stephen F..
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CPL Jeffrey OConnor
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I was unable to donate blood for years after receiving an experimental Japanese encephalitis vaccine before deploying to Thailand. I have no idea if it still disqualifies me.
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LTC Stephen F.
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CPL Jeffrey OConnor you might want to check out the Red Cross eligibility requirements. Here is a link to their alphabetical listing
http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical-listing
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