Posted on Jun 4, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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CPT Richard Trione
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Thank you so much for sharing.
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You are very welcome my friend and brother-in-Christ CPT Richard Trione
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SR Kenneth Beck
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I was not allowed to give blood for 5 years(?) in the 70’s because our crew was given Quinine tablets to prevent malaria.
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Thank you my friend and brother-in-Christ SR Kenneth Beck for letting us know you were prohibited from donating blood for five years in the 1970's because your naval crew 'was given Quinine tablets to prevent malaria.'
I hope you were able to donate blood after that prohibition elapsed.
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SPC Jennifer Clever
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I was stationed in Germany from 1987-1989 and cannot donate blood either.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend SPC Jennifer Clever for responding and letting us know you were stationed in West Germany from 1987-1989 with 21st Support Command.
By now, according to the US Government you should be able to donate blood again.

Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales


https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
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SPC Jennifer Clever
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LTC Stephen F. thank you for the info.
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SFC Epi Suarez
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I live in San Antonio and the blood bank here has lifted the mad cow disease ban for becoming a blood donor. I was in Germany in 1984, haven’t been able to donate blood since then but occasionally I would ask the phlebotomist and last year I was told mass cow disease is no longer a factor when donating blood.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend SFC Epi Suarez for responding and letting us know and making I aware that you were in West Germany in 1984 [that is when I demobilized from West Germany] and you learned later that you could not donate blood.
I am glad that you are now able to donate blood and no doubt you are thankful to the phlebotomist.
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TSgt Jerry Clemens Jr
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I was stationed in the U.K (RAF Alconbury) from May '88 to April '91. I was told I can not donate either. My (now) ex-wife and our children that were born there have not shown any signs of "mad cow". We ate off base before this came out and once the warnings went out about mad cow only ate on the installation.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend TSgt Jerry Clemens Jr for responding and letting us know that you were stationed in U.K (RAF Alconbury) from May 1988 to April 1991.
It is interesting to me that people stationed in UK for 3 years or more are not able to donate blood.
My British and Welsh cousins have lived in England, Wales, France and Denmark and traveled around Europe and the USA. They have never been forbidden to donate blood even though they lived in UK and France when bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] was discovered in some British beef cows.
FYI SMSgt Anil HeendeniyaMAJ Bob Miyagishima
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LTC Stephen F. - Yep, I grew up in London, emigrating to the USA at 15 in 1973. I nor any of my family (and classmates at South Norwood and Selhurst, to my knowledge) ever tested positive for BSE (I was tested several times in my aerospace medicine capacity while a bluesuiter). I've donated blood many times. And to this day, I've never had cravings to graze in the fields...

Full disclosure though: we did live for a time in the same cul de sac as one of the members of The Kinks, who practiced their music in the front room, even after my mum called the police on them for disturbing her peace!
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SPC Paul C.
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As of June 2021, we are now cleared to donate blood again.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Yes my friend SPC Paul C. after many decades, those stationed in Germany, and other continental posts [with the exception of 3-year tours France, Britain and Ireland] are able to donate blood.
An irony is that my extended family who live in Britain, Wales and France have always been able to donate blood.
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SSG David Brandgard
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I was in Germany 97-99 and have been told that I cant donate blood due to mad cow at the time in Europe. I was told this again during some post Iraq "med studies".
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend SSG David Brandgard for responding and making us aware that you were stationed in Germany from 1997 to 1999 and that after you redeployed from Iraq you were told that you could not donate blood based on medical studies
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SP5 Philip McClure
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Germany 1980-83. Eat more beef lol
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend SP5 Philip McClure for making us aware that you were deployed to Germany from 1980-1983 during the Cold War.
I was stationed at Warner Kasserne in Bamberg, Germany from 1981 to 1984. Where were you stationed?
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SGT Mary G.
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Living in the U.S. does not mean anyone is "home free", unfortunately. I think I learned from a cousin during the 90s, of U.S. military stationed in Germany not being allowed to donate blood. His work in the AF had been Food Inspection.
However, around about 1999/2000 during the mad cow problem in U.K. and Europe, a retired heart surgeon I was in contact with through an orphanage project being discussed, reported that he had a Medical Examiner friend in Florida who told him they had been instructed to say that discovery of "mad cow" was to be stated as Alzheimers on the death certificate.
It didn't take much digging around online to learn that the U.S.A. does not test for "mad cow", so it is not possible to know whether or not it was/is/will be in the food chain. Strangely enough, in the aftermath of that U.K. "mad cow" issue, it was chilling that it was reported on the news that an epidemic of Alzheimers in U.S.A. was being predicted in future years. Of course establishing the credence of the comment was attributed to the size of the boomer generation. Other than that no medical source was offered as "cause" for the comment. In other words it was opinion more or less equating any amount of memory problem in older folks with Alzheimers - and in some cases possibly hiding cases of mad cow.
"Epidemic", was also misused, euphemistically, no doubt. At the time it sounded like a CYA statement to me (still does), given that 20 years later, if some were not aware sooner, it is very clear that "epidemic" means a communicable disease which Alzheimers is not considered to be, nor is mad cow (Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant, vCJD), which is said to be caused by prions.
I don't pretend to know about prions, but from what I have read in the past it is claimed there is no cure for the damage they do; no vaccinations to prevent damage.
Simply because one has been exposed to prions - possibly - does not mean they will do predictably do damage. However, at issue is ALSO the lack of adequate testing for all food that is purchased in U.S.A. (including toxic chemicals that should not be in processed food, and residue from pesticides and herbicides). There has been some progress in recent decades, but not enough, and we have no way of knowing if laws are being enforced. For example, ask at any grocery, restaurant, cafe, fast-food place what type of oil is used, or if MSG is used . . . and the answer is they don't know, even when it is the supervisor who is politely and conversational asked.
Additionally, I asked a friend who used to work summers while in college at a meat processing place, whether or not they did any routine testing for mad cow and was told "no". I then asked if it was possible to have testing done if requested, and was told "yes". Wild game was also processed there - maybe at request of, and cost to hunters. I was told the testing has to be done on the brain of the animal. Wild game, especially in bad years (drought, fire, flooding etc.), can suffer from "mad cow".
I don't suppose the gentleman was prevaricating about what his medical examiner friend told him. I know my friend was being honest.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend and sister-in-Christ SGT Mary G. for responding and sharing your thoughts on non-communicable diseases Alzheimers and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant, vCJD.
My own mother developed Alzheimers in the early 1980s before it became widely known about. Prior to that she was multi-lingual and well-educated. She deteriorated over the decades until she could no longer speak in the mid-to-late 1990s.
People also talk about epidemics in heart and lung diseases which are non-communicable [genetics notwithstanding] and can be impacted by behaviors.
In the USA, rule, 21 CFR Part 589.2000 of the Code of Federal Regulations, became effective on August 4, 1997 (here called the BSE/Ruminant Feed regulation) this regulations "prohibits the use of most mammalian protein in feeds for ruminant animals]
I downloaded and reviewed FDA BSE/Ruminant Feed Inspections Firms Inventory (excel format)
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/BSEInspect/bseinspections.csv

It is a very large file and includes testing data in summary form from through USA and Puerto Rico
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I was stationed in the UK in 2000 and was told I am unable to donate blood, I asked for how long that would be for and they said forever. I didn't mind because I'm not a fan of needles anyways.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend PO1 (Join to see) for responding and letting me know that you cannot donate blood because you were stationed in the UK.
Are the ruled different in Chile?
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To be honest LTC Stephen Ford, I have avoided all thing medical down here, so I don't know.
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