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LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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CW5 Jack Cardwell
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I left Germany Jan 1980, when did the cows get mad ??
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CW5 Jack Cardwell Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy became a risk in the early 1980s in military mess halls particularly in Germany. The risk was finally eradicated in 1996 per note from DOD
http://archive.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45103
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SPC Brian Mason
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I haven't. I tried less than a year after getting back from Iraq and was told I had to wait a certain amount of time. Since then, I've had no problem and have donated platelets as well.
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1LT John Jacobs
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Wow... This should be considered an immediate 100% disability because of the huge health effects it could have on the Service Member and his family... This could be the reason for the rise in dementia...
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This really makes me angry. After donating blood and platelets for decades I was suddenly told that I could no longer give. I was told that because I lived in germany in the '80s and '90 I cannot donate blood. There is no test other than cutting up your brain to tell if you have the condition. No one at the Red Cross seems willing to even talk about it.
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I concur SFC (Join to see). I hope that if enough us realize that we can't donate blood because there are no blood tests which confirm that we have or do not have Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) antibodies or the disease, that Congress will take appropriate action and assign a high enough priority with appropriate funding levels to develop the needed blood tests.
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Germany 77-80 and 85-92
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I wasn't allowed to donate blood for I think 10 years after Desert Storm. I'm not sure what the actual reason was. We were given Malaria pills, plus Anthrax. The also lined us up in the Hanger Bay and we went down a gauntlet of Medics giving us shots. To this day I still don't know what they were! Nothing ever showed up in my medical records! Of course those have disappeared also! So no telling what it was. After the 10 years I was able to donate again, but every so often they bring it up when I go to donate????
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PO2 Kevin Parker
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The kicker about that! I've been deployed as a Contractor, back over there many times, having the same shots and what not the Soldiers have, as we go through the same SRP's they do! None of those deployments seem to come up when donating!
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Thank you for responding my friend PO2 Kevin Parker and letting us know that you were not able to donate blood for 10 years after you were deployed to Operation Desert Storm. To be honest I expect that the potential for Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) was the primary reason you could not donate blood unless you were symptom free for 10 years after the operation. GWS was undefined and yet veterans from that operation developed a range of symptoms. including some blood infection, probably.

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PO2 Mike Shorey
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It’s not just the 80s. I can’t donate because I was in Italy from 94-97.
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FYI my friend PO2 Mike Shorey it appears the rules for donating blood have changed. Only those living or being stationed in the British Isles, of France or Ireland for 5 or more years are restricted based on living or being stationed in Europe.

Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
You spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 5 years or more from January 1, 1980, through December 31, 2001, in France or Ireland.
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I haven’t been able to donate blood since I was stationed in England in 2000 because of mad cow, foot and mouth, being stationed in Korea, and finally getting cancer from the burn pits in 2015.
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Thank you for responding SSgt Michael Cox and letting us know that you also are not allowed to donate blood because
1. You were stationed in England in 2000 during bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] cattle epidemic.
2. being stationed in South Korea [I expect that may have been exposure to or inoculation against infectious diseases.]; and
3. finally getting cancer from the burn pits in 2015.
Hopefully you were diagnosed in early stages of cancer from the burn pits and I hope treatment for that cancer is covered and that it will be successful in healing of your cancer before the cancer metastasis process …
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Iron poor blood, didn't slow me down but prevented me from giving blood.
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I eat all kinds of iron rich foods like deer meat.
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I am no longer able to give blood because of the medications I take. I have essential tremors now due to the Gulf war of 91. I was hit with nerve gas and it is now in my blood, which they say will be in there for the rest of my life. 6 medications I have to take of which 2 of them are federally controlled. I have to have blood tests every 6 months to check the level.
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I was stationed at Wharton Barracks, Heilbronn, GE from 86 to 88 and can not give blood, wish they would develop a test for the mad cow because donating was something I had been very proud of doing
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Thank you for responding SGT(P) (Join to see) and letting us know you can't donate blood because you were stationed at Wharton Barracks, Heilbronn, Germany from 1986 to 1988 are like the rest of us are potentially infected by the Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."
There are a couple studies working to detect whether or not we have "misfolded proteins in the bloodstream." These misfolded proteins included the vCJD.

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FYI my friend SGT(P) (Join to see) it appears the rules for donating blood have changed. Only those living or being stationed in the British Isles, of France or Ireland for 5 or more years are restricted based on living or being stationed in Europe.

Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
You spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 5 years or more from January 1, 1980, through December 31, 2001, in France or Ireland.
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I was put on the list as being a possible Mad Cow carrier only because I was stationed in West Germany 1983-1985. It is 2018.......Seems they could have this figured out without having to remove our heads.
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Thank you for responding SPC Robert Skinner and letting us know that you been restricted from donating blood because of the possibility that you may have been infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) because you were stationed in West Germany 1983-1985.
Welcome as an honorary member of the M<ad Cow Brigade :-)

Thanks to SFC William Squires for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."
"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.
People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.
Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.
In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.
“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.
Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
https://www.nih.gov/ne"ws-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood

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