Posted on Jun 4, 2015
LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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PVT John Williams
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I used to donate until they found hep-c virus. We traced the infection back to the “needle guns” in the 70’s for me. Apparently they never wiped off the gun after every use.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Wow PVT John Williams I am sad to learn that you were infected with hepatitis C from a “needle gun.”
I well remember the needle guns which were able to blast us with 4 injections at a time. I had 4 of those quad injections in November 1974 at Fort Leonard Wood, MO reception station. I made the mistake of drinking a Coke and smoking a cigarette after the injections and I passed out on the blacktop :-)
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LTC Stephen F. - PVT John Williams I was notified to check about Hep C from a notice from the VA. I took the test, but I was never contacted back. I took that as good news.
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Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D.
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Having been stationed in Europe in 1980's [risk of Mad Cow disease], we (includes my wife and two sons) were surprised to learn that we could no longer donate blood. Also after military service, I could be more involved in responding to politicians. The "Mad Cow" disease must be growing in me because I get more angry ever day at politicians. I've reached the point, that I am more than willing to donate blood anonymously solely to politicians.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. all I can say is Moo in response to your statement "I get more angry ever day at politicians."
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LTC Stephen F. - Im probably going to be put on the bad list for the rest of my life because of where I am about to go to.
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Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D., I love it !!!! Me too !!!
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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Can I donate to Nancy Pelosi?
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SFC Dennis A.
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I was told that I couldn't donate blood because of my time in the Marshall Islands, Germany, Honduras, and my time in Desert Shield/Storm.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks SFC Dennis A. for letting us know that you also are not authorized to donate blood because
1, you were stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."
2, you were stationed or visited Marshall Islands and Honduras, and were probably exposed to some there - now it seems to be Zika virus which is the threat.
3. you deployed to Desert Storm and may have been exposed to one or more chemical agents.
FYI per Red Cross
In general donating blood is acceptable as long as you have been medically evaluated and treated, have no current (within the last 6 months) heart related symptoms such as chest pain and have no limitations or restrictions on your normal daily activities.
Wait at least 6 months following an episode of angina.
Wait at least 6 months following a heart attack.
Wait at least 6 months after bypass surgery or angioplasty.
Wait at least 6 months after a change in your heart condition that resulted in a change to your medications.
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TSgt Greg Huffard
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I am a 63 year old, 20 year retired USAF veteran (July '72 - Aug. '92). I was drafted into Army while an 18 yr. old high school senior in second to last draft for Vietnam. I opted for USAF instead. I was ordered in England from Nov. '74 - Oct. '76 and again, Aug. '83 - Aug. '87 and because my wife, at the time, was British from Oxford, I was one of a few that lived on the economy when RAF Greenham Common was being activated. Living 45 miles away, we did most shopping on British economy including meat. I was within 2 years of retirement
when I was "specially selected" and ordered, even though, I a non volunteer to Desert Shield, August 1990. I was also ordered to Saudi Arabia to Desert Shield/Storm arrived Dhahran, SA Labor Day 1990 - March 9, 1991.
* From Wikipedia "Aftermath of the Al-Hussein strike on US barracks
The greatest tactical achievement of the Al-Hussein was the destruction of a US military barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, on 25 February 1991, when 28 soldiers were killed and other 110 injured, effectively taking out of action an entire supply company, composed mainly of reservists from Pennsylvania.[10]*
I saw that scud come in (3 miles away) and felt the impact even though the scud did not blow up. Due to my job, I was exposed to the smoke from the oil fires, sand from the sand storms, sewage clean up, parasites, flies, and vermin, PTabs, anthrax, various vaccinations, Deet, food borne illnesses and who knows what chemical warfare exposure.
Additional duties as CE hazard material NCO disposition of numerous toxic materials, i.e. trichloroethylene, herbicides and pesticides, like chloriphyrs. Mobility NCO and trainer, exposed to disturbed asbestos when WWII hangar roof at Malmstrom AFB, MT came off in later '80s and exposed my storage room with CWDE gear and gas masks, and I "had prevent government loss" of gear unprotected because until two days later when Disaster Prep. people went in for asbestos abatement did I know that the building was teeming with asbestos. Exposure to radiation at some AF bases due to weapons systems.

FYI: VA has all my medical history because they had to copy my personal records I got for myself at my retirement physical in November 1992 at Fort Harrison, Mt, I also became the first Montanan to sign up for the newly established Gulf War Registry in '92 (a phony waste of time) because after not hearing any info regarding Gulf War syndrome after 2 years, I found out that the VA had lost my registration and since fires destroyed most military medical records, I have become a skeptic.
In the last two years, my health has severely diminished, right hemisphere nerves are shot, long and short loss of memory, spinal cord and disk issues and the VA and the phony Veterans Choice are useless, numerous claims files to the VA and denied, so I have 30% due to upper and lower lumbar (moving unassisted tons of property by hand), and flat flat.

Here is hopefully info that the "mad cow" folk like me can pursue:

New Test Spots Human Form of Mad Cow Disease with 100 Percent Accuracy
Blood screening technology may be able to diagnose infections before symptoms emerge
By Catherine Caruso on December 21, 2016 in Scientific American
Misfolded proteins called prions cause both mad cow and variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Once they invade the brain, they begin recruiting normal proteins and forcing them to adopt the same abnormal shape. The prions and the blighted proteins clump together forming increasingly large aggregate deposits that wreak havoc on the brain and invariably lead to death. The disease, however, has a long incubation period. “In the case of humans, the estimation goes from several years to a few decades,” says Claudio Soto, a neurologist at McGovern Medical School at UTHealth in Houston. “So it could be that you're exposed one day and then, 40 years after, you develop the disease.”
Sincerely and all the best;
Greg
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CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner
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I am a part of the "No blood from you!" club also. Although I was stationed in Germany 1980-1984, I was able to donate every six weeks, and I did. What changed everything for me was heart and multiple back surgeries. I used to like donating, I felt like my body received an oil change!
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LTC Stephen F.
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CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner Your oil change comment reminded me about my own heart surgical experience.
I went though mitral valve repair surgery at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in march 2003. I had shared my faith in Christ with the chief cardio-thoracic surgeon when I met him. I leaked during surgery ad required 15 units. They called for my pastor to pray over me before they opened my chest back up. He drove the 30 miles in record time and prayer over my near frozen body. When I cam to I could tell something went wrong because of the number of people and the way they looked at me. I gave a sign with my fingers, same sign her uncle gave after the Lord healed him from paralysis after falling off a cliff. The sign meant I wanted a picture. My wife smiled and let everybody else know what I was communicating. Within a few hours I was up and walking slowly with several pieces of equipment and lots of tubes still attached. Since my last name is Ford and I had a d-ring installed and a fluid replacement I asked for a warranty and without bating an eye the deputy chief cardio-thoracic surgeon told me 0 to 10 years - typical military humor. It too me 4 months or so to get my core temperature from 34 degrees back to normal :-)
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CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner
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God is good, all the time!!
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Cpl Andrew Tucker
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I think it's crap that we can't give blood just because we and/or our sponsor was stationed in Europe in the 80s. You can definitely test for the disease in your system. I don't have it. The VA has enough of my blood to prove it lol.
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
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Just who do we pressure to get on with this? There are well over a million who are affected by it. There are enough of us to justify it...if a politician's family was affected, such as a Clinton family girl child, or a Bush they would be dancing around the camp fire on it. Obama's family members are on welfare so they don't count. I know this sounds ignorant, but we do matter. We have been working for years about Rape and pillaging within the ranks and are just now getting somewhere, maybe, kinda. We are still second class citizens to the general public, politicians, and big money. They put a dollar value on tests first before considering our value of life. SWEET.
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LTC Stephen F.
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs pressuring Congress is probably the best way to get authorization and appropriations for HHS [Department of Health and Human Services] to direct NIH to develop blood tests for Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) antibodies or the disease. It would be much better for the few who might have the disease to know and the rest of us to be free to donate again.
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LTC Stephen F.
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CPT Bruce Beattie - we have been discussing blood tests for individuals to determine whether or not we have Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) antibodies or the disease. This should not require a testing the entire blood supply.
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Ltc: do you think the army does not want tests because of increased va claims
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SFC Randy Purham
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My deployments to Iraq (3x) prevented me from donating blood. Due to the Anthrax injections and other vaccines given. I had to wait a whole calendar year before I was able to donate.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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SFC Randy Purham You're going to have to cover for the rest of us I guess since we are Medical Time Bombs Now.
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SFC Randy Purham
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel LOL. I know right. Eventually there will be a policy where no vet can donate. For that same fear.
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SFC Randy Purham
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Yes Sir. I count my blessings with that.
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SFC Randy Purham
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LTC Stephen F. no problem Sir. My pleasure to share and inform.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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I am not sure what all I have taken that prevented me from giving blood. Rabies, Hep A, B, C, D, E, F G hahaha I know rabies was one of several. I give blood now on a pretty regular basis, I give platelets sometimes as well.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding, my friend LTC Jeff Shearer. I am glad that you are able to donate blood and platelets sometimes.
I was inoculated against rabies after being bitten by a German Shepard [Alsatian] in Bavaria :-)
Being stationed in the Federal Republic of Germany during the 1980s prohibits me form donating blood.

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PVT Mark Brown
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I did not know I was Hep-C positive until about 15 years ago when I first started with the VA medical care. At that time I was tested for Hep-C and was found to be positive. I learned from my doctor that under normal medical protocol civilian doctors do not request the Hep-C test when setting up blood and urine tests. Therefore, I had never been tested until around 1999. I was never stationed in Germany, I spent my entire time in the military in Korea (26 months) other than BCT and AIT. Cause of the infection is unknown.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding PVT Mark Brown. I am sorry to learn that you were notified that you infected with Hepatitis C by the Department of Veterans Affairs 15 years ago.
By the way Cpl Scott McCarroll is now virus free after recently completing a 16 week treatment plan for Harvoni which was administered "twice a week. The medication was not expensive that I had to pick it up in person. I also had to visit the pharmacy doctor who was running the program."

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SPC Margaret Higgins
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LTC Stephen F. - Thank You, Steve. I am very sorry to hear that you were infected with the Hepatitis C virus as well, PVT Mark Brown. I hope and I pray that you are okay now.
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TSgt David L.
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Mad Cow! Nothing wrong with MOOOOOO!
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TSgt David L.
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LTC Stephen F. - LMAO. Goofy stuff, Mad Cow! Comes and goes! I do hate not being able to donate though.
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Absoooooolutely TSgt David L.!
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