Posted on Nov 13, 2015
How many of us had trouble distinguishing the rank of approaching commissioned, non-commissioned or warrant officers on field uniforms??
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Fatigue, battledress and other work and combat uniforms had subdued rank most of the time. Some ranks are very distinctive such as Captain [double bars], Colonel [eagle], and General Officer [black star or multiple]. However 1st LT and Warrant Officer looked very close and sometimes Majors and Lieutenant Colonels looked very close especially in the rain, snow, etc.
When I was a private in the 1970s I couldn't tell sometimes if a LT or a Chief Warrant Officer was approaching me. I would salute usually and wasn't sure at that time if I was supposed to salute Warrant Officers.
Did you have trouble recognizing officer rank?
When I was a private in the 1970s I couldn't tell sometimes if a LT or a Chief Warrant Officer was approaching me. I would salute usually and wasn't sure at that time if I was supposed to salute Warrant Officers.
Did you have trouble recognizing officer rank?
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LTC Stephen F.
Thank you for responding SGT Mark Rhodes your attitude matches many other people who responded. Since a proper salute is a display of mutual respect I concur with you.
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When I was in training (AIT) at Ft. Lee, VA I saw some ranks that totally stumped me. I, of course, had all the Army ranks committed to memory and I was at least generally familiar with those of the other services, but these were entirely different, and appeared to be totally non-regulation. One dress uniform, as I recall, had five or six big silver stars not only on the shoulders, but even on the lapels of the dress coat as well as other decorative clusters and ribbons that I didn't recognize. Knowing that I was still pretty green, and thinking I must have missed something important, I asked one of our company NCOs. He laughed, and then calmly explained that next door was a training facility that was often attended by military members from Central America and other nations friendly to the United States. All sorts of unusual variations were possible. His advice stuck with me for the rest of my military career:
"When in doubt, salute it."
Saluting an NCO is rarely a problem but failing to salute an officer is almost always going to cause trouble. It's safer just to throw up a salute and hope for the best.
"When in doubt, salute it."
Saluting an NCO is rarely a problem but failing to salute an officer is almost always going to cause trouble. It's safer just to throw up a salute and hope for the best.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thanks SGT John Partridge for letting us know that you some ranks on uniforms that stumped you.
I remember the School of the Americas at Fort Benning which had many South American officers and NCOs with elaborate uniforms. By these I was familiar with uniforms and had been stationed in Europe [also had many elaborate uniforms] during the Cold War.
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I remember the School of the Americas at Fort Benning which had many South American officers and NCOs with elaborate uniforms. By these I was familiar with uniforms and had been stationed in Europe [also had many elaborate uniforms] during the Cold War.
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Know what's the worst? When older SPC/E4's have large rank on their OCP's. From a distance they look like LTC's. I've saluted E-4's before at rank-heavy installations.
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LTC Stephen F.
Well stated 1SG (Join to see) Many of us use apparent age to help us identify friendlies and potential enemies. Older SPC and LTC's can be confusing not to mention older Warrant officers and baby faced Lieutenants
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LCpl Michael Cappello
Perhaps it is just me being more attentive or more observant or some such thing. I prefer to think that it has to do with the Marine Corps training. Due to the nature of our service, it is drilled into us. We are taught from boot to recognize both our rank structure and the naval rank structure. In my day, a lot of pain was equated with failure to present the proper greetings and salutations. God forbid we got it wrong. To this day I make sure to be aware of who the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Navy, Commandant of the Marine Corps, and the Sgt. Maj. ot the Marine Corps are. Wore to them who did not keep current on their common knowledge. Back then it was always a part of your promotion interview.
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LTC Stephen F.
LCpl Michael Cappello - thanks for letting us know. I am glad you had no trouble identifying rank.
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While in the cav we had bareas with a cab flash and our rank in brass. Some troopers would salute us as all they saw was the gold flash. We would replay at ease we will be in the area all day
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LTC Stephen F.
Yes berets with flashes could certainly cause confusion for some SFC Bosun Frusher FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs LTC Stephen C. LTC Orlando Illi Lt Col Charlie Brown Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. Maj William W. 'Bill' Price CPT Jack Durish Capt Tom Brown MSG Andrew White SFC William Farrell SGT (Join to see) Sgt Albert Castro SSG David Andrews Sgt Randy Wilber Sgt John H. CPL Dave Hoover SGT Mark Halmrast SPC Margaret Higgins SrA Christopher Wright
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LTC Stephen F.
MSG Charles Turner did you mean to respond to this question or were you trying to comment on SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth's comment/post?
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I can't recall ever having trouble distinguishing between a 2dLt and WO. The main reason being I knew all the officers at both battalion and regimental level and knew there were no WOs assigned to those particular commands. My limited career did not take me to the higher reaches of varied joint or unified commands where I might likely run into a WO I didn't know.
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I never had an issue with officers (warrant or commissioned) because they all rate a salute and a "sir" anyway. My main issue has always been SGM vs 1SG and SPC vs LTC. Those can be difficult to tell apart from a distance or in the dark, however its generally easy to figure from their age wether its a SPC or LTC
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CWO2 Richard Rose
FYI, Chief Warrant Officers are Commissioned Officers. I see it here at RP and elsewhere referring to as, "Commissioned Officer " and "Warrants" beneath Commissioned Officers. That's kind of like being almost pregnant.
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CPT Kenneth Burrows
It depends upon the years served! I served 62 to 71 and Warrents were not Commissioned. I have learned that changed in 86. As a field officer, I leaned on my WOs and senior NCOs and treated them with great respect. I wanted to be a good officer and who better to help me learn? Worked well for me!
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SPC Mike Davis
CWO2 Richard Rose - You could have been a Specialist....A full-bird PFC. barely in the chain 0f command.
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I never had any problem recognizing the ranks and knew what every branch of the service used for Officers, Warrant Officer and enlisted. I do think the collar is a lot better place to put rank insignia than the middle of the chest where esp in combat gear it may not be able to be seen at all.
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LTC Stephen F.
Thanks for responding my friend SMSgt Lawrence McCarter. I am glad you never had any issues with identifying ranks of other military services. You seem to be rare in that regard.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
LTC Stephen F. - I also spent time training Cadets on Military Customs and Courtesies. Prior to that as a Cadet Myself at a Military Academy that was an area We were very well acquainted with. Even the rank charts on the wall of one of the training classrooms I remembered everything on it.
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SCPO Henry Malone
I too learned Military Customs& Courtesies in the very early stage of my career and I think it's up to us the Senior NCO'S to teach the Officer's and Junior enlisted..
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Maj John Bell
LTC Stephen F. - Went back... Reread the question... I apologize for my headspace and timing errors.
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LTC Stephen F.
I have experienced head space and timing issues over the years as well Maj John Bell - apology accepted :-)
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