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LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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SGT Steven Eberly
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I was station in Germany from 1978 until 1985. Then as a civilian I live there from 1987 until 2009. So I can't give blood anymore now.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding SGT Steven Eberly It is sad that you also cannot donate blood because you were stationed in Germany during the primary mad cow years in the early 1980s. I can understand that limitation but the since the risk was only to those who ate in military mess halls, it is unconscionable if the mere fact that you lived in Germany from 1987 until 20009 precludes you from donating blood.
Hopefully one day there will be political will to develop a blood test for Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD) so that if cleared many of us could donate blood once again.

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I have a history of Cancer (TWICE treated for it).
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You can register @ your local VA & you'll be able to donate. I'm registered, because I have a rear blood type.
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My best friend from those days in Germany just informed me of this. I have not been able to donate blood for decades due to an experimental malaria drug given to us in Thailand back in the mid 80's which has caused me to have to take blood thinners for over 20 years. Now I hear about this. Were we all just unknowing participants in government experiments? I worry now about two of my sons that are active duty (USMC and GaNG).
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Thank you for responding SGT Keith Wise that you have no been able to donate blood for decades because you received an experimental malaria drug that was given to you and other soldiers in Thailand back in the mid-1980's.
Blood thinners tend to be prohibited in donating blood unless you can stop taking them for a proscribed amount of time.
Hopefully your sons won't be exposed to anything like this.

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Pasture Rage! Those cows are angry. No blood, no marrow, no nothing. DO NOT Donate....I don't bother even trying. Europe for more than 6 months in the 1990s and 2000s.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Yes, Angry Cows may well overtake Angry Birds as a video game LTC (Join to see) :-)
I donated blood from 1975 after enlisting in 1974 through the early 1990s when I was told I could no longer donate because I was stationed in Germany from 1981 to 1984.
I was transfused 15 units on the operating table at Walter Reed Army Medical Center on March 11, 2003 and glad the blood was virus free.
One day they may develop a test for antibodies to Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." Right now the only test is via autopsy :-)

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PO3 Bob McCord - I wish that we could stop having wars; as well.
I have a Facebook group; of which I am the coach: Group for Suicidal Active Duty and for Suicidal Veterans.
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Again, that link is:
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All who feel the need, are more than welcome to join my group.
Lovingly, Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired: Coach
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David Ostrow
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I’ve been healthy non-detectable living with HIV since Dec, 1982. Both gay/bisexual men and anybody with HIV or Hep C infected are barred from donating blood or organs for transplants. Theoretically, an infected person can donate post mortem tissues for transplantation into recipients with the same ID profile, it varies from State to State and whether there are enough donor-recipient pairs that are immunological compatibles.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thanks for responding David Ostrow and letting us know that you have been infected by HIV since 1982 and that you are still healthy. That is wonderful news and I hope your prognosis will be stable for the rest of your life.
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David Ostrow, what you posted is accurate. Thank you for putting it out for us to see. My first wife, the lady who accompanied me through most of my naval career received a corneal transplant about two years after I retired. That corneal tissue was infected with Hepatitis C, which infected my darling wife of 28 years, and took away from me.
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So sorry to hear about your wife passing from HIV acquired from a corneal transplant. Very rare occurrence, but even a low theoretical risk of serious disease transmission creates so much fear among persons needing transfusions or transplants that strong prohibitions are put in place to protect the REPUTATION of the blood and tissue supplies. A lot has happened since the early days of theAIDS/HIV crises, that should eliminate blood or tissue from anyone with detectable virus from donating. But the idea repeatedly on here that persons with HIV can donate blood is a myth. A person with HIV can donate an organ to ANOTHER PERSON WITH HIV, but that’s it.
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CPO Michael Callegri
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I'm also apart of this Brigade. I was not stationed in Germany, but London and also can no longer donate blood. Donating blood was something I used to do regularly, even while in the Military. Now I just blame it on the European Cows. Darn cows.
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CPO Michael Callegri
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I just realized something, I have also been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue from the Gulf War. So I just realized I'm mad and tired. So, I probably just need to take an angry nap.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you for responding CPO Michael Callegri that you:
1. were stationed in London during the 1980s when Bovine Spongiform was a risk in British beef. The human variant is Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD).
2. you have also been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue from the Gulf War.
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LTC Richard Pendleton
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Those stationed in Wester Europe during the Chernobl meltdown were barred from donating blood. This was due to exposure to radioactive fallout..As far as I know, this ban is still in effect. My family and I were stationed in West Germany from 1985 thruthru 1989.
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Thanks for reminding us LTC Richard Pendleton that those service members who were stationed in Western Europe during the Chernobyl meltdown were barred from donating blood.
I was stationed in West Germany from February 1981 to July 1984.
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Desert storm illness. :(
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SPC Daniel Rankin
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I also have the desert storm illness from nerve gas. That has also kept me from donatiing. When you have to take 6 different meds every day.
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SCPO Morris Ramsey
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LTC Stephen F. I am a colon cancer survivor and was told for 20 years I could not donate. Now they will take it. But I cannot be an organ donor. My doctor told me, to not worry about donating blood, my biggest responsibility was to myself. She said if there was an emergency need for my blood B-, then I should donate. Have not donated to the Red Cross in years for apparent reasons
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Thanks for letting us know SCPO Morris Ramsey that you are a colon cancer survivor and that you could not donate blood fro 20 years.
I am thankful that you are a colon cancer survivor and able to donate blood once again.

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