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Why do you think there are so many school shootings now as opposed to say 25 to 30 years ago? We all know that guns can’t shoot themselves, so obviously that is not the problem in my opinion. I honestly believe that there is a direct correlation between the rise of school shootings and the taking of God out of the classroom, and kids not getting a well deserved a** whooping. Thoughts on this?
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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What has changed?
1.) The availability of guns? NOPE...I went hunting before school and my rifle was in my gun rack along with 75% of the students. No one ever thought about taking it out and wiping out the school.
2.) Availability of resources? Nope...there are more resources these days for people to be part of for coping.
3.) Communication? Absolutley. No one knows how to communicate these days unless it is over a cell phone, text, instagram, twitter etc. I ask my daughter all the time if she spoke to so and so. She says yes and then I follow up with did yo talk or did you text? The answer is text. I say that to say this...communicating electronically is easy to get people spun up. Use all caps you are screaming, use the wrong emoji and you are bullying, talk about one friend and not necessarily in a bad way and then it gets back to the other one and then hate fills the tron world. It is easy to get spun up when you aren't face to face and talk. Kids these days and most adults have lost that art.
4.) Fights? Absolutely...kids these days don't fight...they pull out a gun or knife because they were disrespected. They saw it on a video game and it worked. Reboot and came back at it the next day. We used to take out back at school. When we were done either you got your ass whooped or you did the whooping. When it was over you dusted off, got a pinch of skoal, cleaned up your wounds and went back to class or football practice and it was over.
5.) Everybody gets a trophy? Absoutely...Kids these days get whatever they want. I didn't make the baseball team one year...guess what it stung hard...I practiced all year and played summer ball to get ready for the next year and guess what, I made the team through hard work and perseverance. Kids these days make the team, get a trophy and there are no winners or losers. So when they are older and get told no it is a foreign concept to them. How dare someone tell me no...they must be destroyed.
6.) Discipline? Hell yeah...If I messed up, I got jacked up...Guess what...I didn't do it again. If my mom/dad didn't get me, my friends mom did or my grandparents did (switch or Bip Bop paddle)...we knew what was right and wrong and didn't cross that line and we had respect for our elders. Majority of Kids these days aren't disciplined. This time out crap doesn't work...My dad took time out of his schedule to whoop me...As Hattie said in Madeas Boo movie, "Whip dat ass one good time." Parents seem to be afraid of their kids...that I don't understand.
7.) Parental guidance - YUP...It goes along with what I have put above but parents these days want to negotiate with their children so they aren't the bad guy and they want to be their friends...BUMP DAT...I am not your friend...God put me in in this world to be your parent and to teach you right from wrong and to hold you accountable...not to let you get away with everything so you don't know what no means.
8.) Finally GOD--God has not changed, we have. We have taken Him out of everything so we don't offend anyone. Well I am offended by not having my right to speak of Him in public with my child.
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HN Kathleen M Peck
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Absolutely right; these days kids lack respect and social skills. Such a sad state of things.
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SPC Erik Thompson
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God was NOT removed from the schools. Prayer, led by school employees was. Perhaps you don't mind that the majority thinks it is okay to require the minority to suffer through a chant at an imaginary friend, but that is probably because YOU ARE the majority and you don't find shoving your beliefs on someone else to be offensive. When I was a kid one of my friends told his mother I was an atheist. She physically accosted me at the door to my class in 4th grade. What a great Christian huh? School prayer has always been a way to coerce children to "fit in" with their religious friends. ALSO, are you telling me that kids who grow up in Christian households can't go to school for 8 hours without praying to god with ALL the other school children or they are going to shoot someone? Do Christians not kill people? Have all the school shooting been carried out by atheists , Muslims, and Hindus? Finally, kids are absolutely allowed to pray in school. They can pray silently to themselves whenever they want, and they do right before the math test. All that ever happened was that the government was taken out of performing religious services right before school.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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Yes Col, parents are afraid of their kids. Woop them and they tell the teacher or call the cops. yell at them and it is the same. They can yell at you and nothing happens, We have taken so much out of are school they have no direction. Teachers are also afraid. they just send the to the office and let them handle it. Our culture has change. Instead of sneaking a drink or a smoke, the go for pot or worse.
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SPC Jasen E.
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I agree with 99% of what you said. It is devastating to watch the kids grow up today and have no concept of anything except video games, social media, or just simply doing nothing. I had a gun in the house when I grew up. I knew where it was, where the ammo was, and knew also that if I so much as looked at it cross-eyed I wouldn't have been able to sit on my blistered butt for a month. I have a deep respect of guns and teach everyone around me, not just kids, to respect them, also. That leads me to my next point--my mom was not an "I'm gonna" parent. If I was doing something I wasn't supposed to do, she tell me to stop or she would beat my butt. If I didn't stop, she wouldn't respond by saying "I'm gonna" beat your butt if you don't stop. No! She just simply did the beating. I learned young that when my mom told me to do or not to do something, that I better comply the first time. She'd try to talk you out of doing it one time and she'd smack you out of doing it the next time. Parents these days tell their children 10, 20, 30 times that they're "gonna" give them a spanking if they don't stop. The kid doesn't stop, the mother repeats that she's "gonna" give them a spanking if they don't stop. It's a bull$hit threat and the kid knows it and therefore doesn't feel compelled to obey. Just watch the next time your in public and there are misbehaving kids around.

The 1% I'm not completely on board for (I am and I'm not) is the G-d issue. It is sad that we have taken Him out of everything public except schools. We have the guarantee in the constitution of the freedom of religion (not freedom FROM religion) and that means that there are children of all faiths and creeds in our public school. It is impossible to talk about G-d in a way that encompasses all religions. You will be leaving students out of the conversation. So unless the teachers have the know-how and time to address a G-d for each faith represented, the discussion of G-d doesn't need to be in school. For me, I don't believe prayer belongs in school for the exact same reason. It is impossible to pray in a way that encompasses all faiths. That's all on paper. But off the record, I loved that our teachers said screw it and talked about religion with us when I was in school just 22 years ago. I like that our sporting events started with a prayer. That's just how I feel. On a like tone, I DO believe that the school day should be started with the Pledge of Allegiance. This is our country, we are proud of it, and if you don't like it, LEAVE!
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Because parents lead their children to believe that they can have whatever they want and don't teach them how to handle rejection. Society is all wrapped up in telling everybody how special they are...I'm with you on the parenting thing. The God in school part may or may not correlate. If it does I believe it is because, when we did allow religion/prayer in schools, that was a point in time when we also taught kids discipline and respect which is terribly lacking today.
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Sgt Anthony Leverington
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Have you also noticed that every single school shooting has happened in a gun free zone?
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SPC Kelley McMahan
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SGT Denny Espinosa - Respectfully Sgt, I disagree. Morals are not the exclusive realm of religion and were that ascetation true we would not have professed christians committing sexual assaults or pediphilia. Or tolerating anyone who did up to and including advocating for grabbing women by their genitalia.
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SGT Denny Espinosa
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SPC Kelley McMahan I agree with you that teaching morals are NOT the EXCLUSIVE realm of religion - it simply plays a big part of religion. By "ascetation" I'm guessing you mean "assertion" and I agree 100% that people - regardless of belief - are fallible. Hence my statement: "... even when some higher authority proved to be all too fallible." So it seems that we are in agreement.
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Sgt Karen Schleif
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Discipline, morality and respect are taught at home. Educating and nurturing children is the parent's responsibility; not society. However, with both parents working in many homes, and many single parents, the kids are left to raise themselves or whatever alternative there is. They are being influenced by video games and tv. How moral are those sources? Children want their parents and not necessarily all the stuff parents can buy for them. I don't particularly agree with allowing the people in school to have to authority to "whoop" the students. Any form of discipline is done in love and should therefore be the parent's role. Otherwise it's abuse. It should always be for a purpose and not out of frustration. Children should not have to be afraid of physical harm or humiliation from adults in school.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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I think there are a number of reasons. First is that there is a breakdown of the family. Fewer fathers involved with their chilldren means less leadership in the home. When you have a single parent house, there simply isn't enough time/energy to give to your children. Second, as demonstrated in Florida, ignoring minor lawbreaking only leads to greater problems. People push the envelope until someone pushes back with punishment or a way to stop them. Ignoring behavior does not lead to cessation, especially if there is a reward for the illegal behavior (like robbery, theft, etc- the reward is the item(s) or for some, the thrill of getting away with something)
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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I agree with what you have said ma'am, but I also think that when they took disciplining a child at home of school away, they really hurt things. Both my son, and grandson felt my hand on their butt, but it was one swat, done at two different times. Lesson was learned after the second swat. There was no severe beatings or use of a belt or switch.
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SGT Denny Espinosa
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth - I agree. there is a big difference between a discipline spanking and a parent taking out their frustrations. Too many people don't or won't see a difference.
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LCpl Troy Gwyn
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Ma'am, I disagree with your assessment.
I was a single father, who raised 4 kids. All 4 graduated on time and now lead their own lives.
Only once did one of my children have a weapon in school. (My youngest son had his "camp knife" in his backpack.)
When his older sister found out, she called me. I went to the school and with the principle watching, had my son snap the blade of his knife with a hammer from my toolbox.
So, it's not the single parent home. It may be a lack of discipline from the single parent.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
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LCpl Troy Gwyn - You prove my point. You were there involved with your children. Great job! And thank you.
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Why do you think there are so many school shootings now?
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1. 25-30 years ago is when the liberals started telling us we couldn't spank our kids, we have to give everyone a trophy, and "equality" started being legislated.

2. I'm not a religious person, but I'm smart enough to see that as God and Patriotism have started being viewed as bad things and people have started speaking and acting out against it, the moral fabric of society has decayed to a point that is close to beyond repair.

3. As there has been a steady increase in non-traditional families, there has been an increase in bad people.

4. As the frequency of divorce and multiple marriages has increased, the number of bad people has also increased.

5. Violence has been normalized due to the increasingly lax censorship rules. We can turn on the TV and have a front row seat to a warzone. We can flip to HBO or turn on the radio and see and hear violent crime being glamorized. This has led to us as a society being desensitized to these things.
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Lt Col Louis Botta
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There is an adagio that states that everyone wants what's best for their children and grandchildren. They just differ on the way to get there. I still don't like to pigeonhole people and think it tends to be wholly counter productive. For example: Liberals can pigeonhole all conservatives as marching with Tiki Torches and Swastikas and calling for Jews to be disenfranchised, and for all gays and lesbians to be stoned to death. Conservatives can pigeonhole all liberals as Farrakhan separatists and atheists who worship Satan.
Will that make someone emotionally fulfilled? Perhaps. Does it advance the development of civil society? Certainly not.
I could see your point if it was accompanied by empirical data. It seldom is, on both sides. But to say that liberals are Satanists who hate America and conservatives breed with their first cousins and have bad teeth, it simply is a way to justify one's derision for other fellow Americans who happen to think differently.
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PO3 John Wagner
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SMSgt (Join to see) - Liberals are most,of the reasons we are having these issue.
Liberal,politicians need a permanent impoverished welfare class dependent on the, for food, housing, medication, and health care. Providing stupid menial jobs.
Many government regulations simply have the effect of increasing workplace inefficiency creatingmthe need for more workers, increasing costs, yet because it is artificially injected,inefficiency there is nothing to increase revenue formerly good paying jobs pay less and less.
Discretionary income disappears. Discretionary income is what people use to buy things for pleasure... like boats, jet skis, motorcycles, snowmobiles.
When the discretionary income disappears then the snowmobile, boat, motorcycle, jet ski dealers disappear taking their jobs with them.
Socialism doesn't work. Liberals attempt the same thing over and over expecting different results. This is also the definition of insanity.
So the problem is indeed... Liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals..... ad nauseum..ad infintum
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SPC Chris Ison
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PO3 John Wagner - California is currently running at a surplus, and is the 5th largest economy in the world. If you look ta the PER CAPITA mass shootings you will find we are NOWHERE at the top.

Poverty causes this, and Republican's cause poverty.

Republican's cause poverty through austerity. By your own admission the loss of discretionary spending costs jobs, and through the multiplier effect causes recession.

So why then are Republican's against discretionary spending for welfare people?

Think about it, why would someone live below poverty if they had an opportunity at a job that paid a middle class wage?

Do you think, the coal miners, if offered a chance to move from the coal mine, to an office job making the same wage, would opt to go on divisibility, making 2/3rds what they made before, instead? No, disability claims have risen, because at 45 you are capable of being declared disabled, and there are no more opportunities in your area.

Downsizing has caused issues, inversion has caused issues, and republican's wont; do anything to prevent that, because their big corporate donor's will stop donating.

Do you know why the Hollywood elite is okay with higher taxation and a high minimum wage? Simple, if you have more money to spend, that means more movies get made, which means more work for them. It is the antithesis of what the "pro business party" wants.
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SPC Chris Ison
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Funny because California is the 5th largest economy in the world, and out of the top three state economies New York is number 3.

You need to come here and experience our great state, and stop living it through other peoples lies.

every state has problems, no one state is perfect; But their are more people living on government aide, PER CAPITA, in the southern states, than their are in California or New York.

Almost all of new England is decorative too, and they have some of the highest incomes in the world. When you compare these areas you can not compare totals, the state of California has more people in it than the entire country of Canada. You have to look at it as a ratio and total percentage of the population. AND you can not use just the metric for TANF, you need to look ta SSI, a welfare benefit, and Food Stamps.

I know a whole lot of people receiving SSI in states like Missouri, Kentucky, and the south.
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Something has changed, hasn't it? The problem is determining what has changed that is significant. Is it the availability of guns? The difference in the pop culture? The change in social norms and the emphasis or lack thereof on religion? At home? In the classroom? In public places? How about the fascination with violence in popular media? In games? In the news? So many hypotheses, so many experts. Why can't we find the answer? Sadly, I fear that politics that gets in the way. Who can we trust to approach the question scientifically? Whose opinion is untainted by ideology?
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SFC (Join to see) - Agree No Gun Free Zones!
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MAJ Bob Firth
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So there really is a Captain Jack! Seriously, good points. When we grew up we did not have this, despite the same weapons being readily available.
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PO1 Chad Alcock
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Growing up, a lot of kids had guns in there rigs in the parking lot, most going hunting after school. I think mental health is a big contributor to the problem. As to why it seems more prevalent now than it was when we were young, I don't know. But it seems to me that we should address the real issue, there is a serious lack of mental health services nation wide. Unfortunately I see some people that could benefit from some sort of help, but have no place to refer them to, and this includes the VA here in town. It sounds like they are improving on access to services, but in the past I hit dead end after dead end trying to get someone help.
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SFC Dagmar Riley
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SGT Dave Tracy i don’t have the answer either and mainly just made a lot of observations others already mentioned and I believe that’s it’s not just a few things that causes all these problems now, rather I believe it’s a combination of many of what has been mentioned. I also believe that the more guns become difficult to obtain because of laws some want to pass, the worse things will get. I’m thinking this because anytime something becomes illegal, then the black market benefits from it. When that happens, the people that are endangering others will be the only ones with access to a weapon because the law abiding citizens won’t go that route. You will prevent people from being able to defend themselves and their property and the thugs will still be blazing their ammo everywhere, or those not to familiar with the black market easily make their own weapons/bombs ; instructions on how are easily available everywhere or if you have enough money buy a D3 printer and print a weapon. I also would like History ang Government classes in the kids schools be taught on facts again without omissions which is happening a lot. Education is so important that those children can one day make informed decisions when they’re old enough to vote. Doing away with some of those tests everyone is required to constantly pass in school, doesn’t help much either because they teachers main objective is for them to get the kids to pass so they can keep their job , instead they should be able to teach it all the not just concentrating on the areas they want to score high on. Not all will turn into star pupils this way but not everyone needs a degree either because blue collar workers are needed too and some of those jobs pay just as well and more than many of the jobs that require a degree. In other words, priorities are a big mixed up causing tremendous stress to so many which often gets passed down to their kids and so on.
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I agree with you. Lack of God and lack of discipline; both at home and in (from society). We need to learn how to get along with one another instead of our first reaction (or action) being shot to kill because we "think" we don't like the other person or what they might say or do to us. We need to learn how to LOVE again.
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I totally agree!
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I expect that the majority of school shooting incidents take place in area where gun-free zones predominate so that the murderous thugs would not be confronted by armed school security or adults with concealer carry permits in the schools SSG(P) (Join to see)
Many areas have tried to keep God out of the schools - that is foolish IMHO since God has access to everywhere and everyone at all times :-)
For whatever reason God has allowed these school shootings to take place and some house of worship shooting as well.
In tragedy, we each have opportunities to help others deal with the horrible events and their personal losses. God may well have called many of us for just such as a time as this.
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Capt Jeff S.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - You are not a biblical scholar. Best not to get into debates you can't win. As God's wisdom is foolishness to you, what expectation do you have of convincing any Christian you're right? They see your argument from God's perspective, and God's wisdom says your wisdom is foolishness.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31

Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[c]

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
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PO3 John Wagner
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SMSgt (Join to see) - Whatever. What would the God Father of soul have to say about your attitude brother?
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Good joke funny...I have thick skin and have a right to my attitude and points of view and so do you! That's the problem nobody can agree to disagree these days. Also why do you show James Brown? My Mother and Grandfather (Travis) are European which is English, Germany, Dutch and came to America early 1600s (Plymouth) and Native/African here before the Europeans came. So I'm all American 10th Generation and love our Nation and I take just a tiny offense of the James Brown reference because the name Brown one of the first Settlers of America from New York look it up! Also note that my Ancestors fought in every War since the start of America and even fought against those who landed before the European landed! So have a nice day and wish you Peace and Love!
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Thank you for weighing in SMSgt (Join to see) -
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25-30 Years ago, kids were still taught that with "rights" came responsibilities- that all actions had equal reactions. That just because you didn't agree with someone did not give you the right to stifle them. We took faith, kindness, responsibility, owning you to your mistakes & actions, politeness and respect out of the hands of parents and muzzled the teachers. For 30 + plus years, gangsta's, rappers, and hoodlum's have been praised, called heroic, and idolized- instead of someone good or decent. We have raised 2-3 generations of folks that can only live off of others, and no make them own way in life.
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Maj John Bell
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When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, I knew three kids who were growing up in single parent homes. In two of those cases, one of the parents had died. In the other, Mom and Dad lived three doors away from each other.

I knew two other kids who were part of "blended families." In both cases mom or step-mom was at home. And in both cases Mom and Dad lived no more than two blocks from each other.

Parents put a higher premium on being there, than on getting a new car every three years, having the biggest TV, or buying a jet ski.
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SSG Todd McAllister
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Maj John Bell - I kind of agree with the basics of your comment. However, I grew up in a single parent home (divorce), had two brothers and a sister, and on welfare. None of us, my brothers, sister, or I ever killed anyone or shot anyone (military experiences aside of course). None of us continued the "tradition" of being on welfare or other Government assistance (other than military and civil service), we each chose to make things better for ourselves and our families. I believe everything in life is a choice, you choose to be a good person or you choose to be a dirt bag. You choose to take a gun to school and shoot innocent people or you choose not too. Obviously not all choices are easy, but they are choices none-the-less. Too many people refuse to make the hard choices and work towards bettering themselves. There just aren't consequences (or not tough enough consequences) anymore for choosing the easy way or the dirt bag way.
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Maj John Bell
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SSG Todd McAllister - I salute you and your single parent. I don't think single parents choose to be bad parents, but it is easy to be overwhelmed when you are parenting by yourself. Most single parents aren't putting a higher premium on being on getting a new car every three years, having the biggest TV, or buying a jet ski. They're keeping a roof overhead, food on the table, clothes on the back and school supplies in the backpack. I run a subscription farm and discount 10% to single parents who bring their kids to the farm and put in a little family work time, plus I let them bid a chore and pay their bid in cash. It gives the parents a chance to teach their kids hard work.

I AM throwing rocks at the homes with two working parents, IF they could live on one parent's income. That's probably most households with two parents. That view is probably going to put me in hot water, but I don't care. EVERY child benefits from close supervision and who better to provide that supervision than one of the parents. I was born late to my parents. From the time I was 8 years old I was outnumbered. If I was in a different room and ONLY thinking about mischief, one of the two parents knew it.

But there is an undeniable synergy when one of the parents is home in most of the houses in the neighborhood. Most mischievous kids run in packs and interested eyes all over the neighborhood helps.
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There are too many factors involved to point at any one thing and say, "this is why". When television became common in society there was a 15 percent spike in violent crime, happened in the United States and Great Briton in the 50s, happened in South Africa in the 1970s. However, school shootings did not become common until much later, so that can't be all of the answer. Programming on TV has become much more violent over time, desensitizing people to violence and human empathy, but this was going on in the 70s and 80s so that can't be all of the answer. Violent video games allow people to train to kill and many of these killers do train with those, and their progression has seemed to mirror the progression in these killings, so there is a correlation there, but not every player of violent video games goes on rampages, so that can't be all of the answer. Gun bans quickly followed these shootings, turning them into soft targets, and we have seen the casualties increase, but that is a deterrent or lack there of, so that can't be all of the answer. God was taken out of schools in the 60s and 70s, but the shootings didn't really ramp up until recently, so that can't be all of the answer.

Far more likely, it is a combination of all of the above. The shooters become household names. They are known, talked about, etc. for days or weeks after, so it's a way to make oneself know. They are taught in school that life came from an ancient soup, and that only the strongest survive, and that it's okay to kill someone that is inconvenient to you as long as he or she hasn't been born yet, so life loses its value. They have no moral compass, no respect for others, and they have access to training that desensitizes them to humanity until they become stone cold killers. Unlike military soldiers that are trained to kill, but have discipline instilled in them so that they only do so when commanded, these killers are trained to do so without that discipline. All of this combines to demonstrate the uncertainty of life when sin rules.
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PO1 Chad Alcock
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I agree with you when it comes to the shooter being household names, some are just looking for recognition. This is why I agreed with Sherriff Hanlin when he refused to use the Umpqua Community College shooters name.
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I feel my generation has failed to pass on Discipline and accountability. As a society we have come to this point where we dont want anyone to fail, dont want anyone to feel bad, dont want anyone to lose. But the harsh reality of life is: People fail, it makes success so much more meaningful; People feel bad, it makes Happy Times so much more uplifting; People lose, again this makes winning so so much more of a reward. Take this and add a moraless movie, televison, sports and music industry and we NOW HAVE IDOLS & HEROS that have little if any accountability for their actions!

So a child becomes unruly or bullies, the teacher cant do much, the parents cant seem to either. The "role Models" are using vulgarity, obsene wardrobes and criminal activiy routinely. The young see this and.. want to be like their HEROS!

So by not teaching / rearing our children with the realities of life, we have given the sense that "Wrong" is ok, "Everyone Breaks the Rules", "You just say that because you are Old and cant do this", etc etc, are ALL Acceptable! Reality is they are NOT! But the Loudest Demanding that Change take Place ae Among those setting the Bad Example.

Because of these actions and Us as a Society, I feed we have Failed.
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