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LTC Stephen F.
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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
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I'm required to take anticoagulants because every time I stop, I throw more clots. The chief reason is because I have a "protein C deficiency" and a "Factor V Liden Gene mutation," both of which make me genetically predisposed to getting clots.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend and brother-in-Christ MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. for making us aware that you are required to "take anticoagulants because every time I stop I throw more clots. The chief reason is because I have a "protein C deficiency" and a "Factor V living Gene mutation," both of which make me genetically predisposed to getting clots'
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I was in Bavaria from 1978 - 1981 -- 1st Armored Division. I was just two pints short of five gallons when the ban against us donating blood was instated.

Since then, I checked regularly with the Red Cross (we do blood drives at our church) and was refused repeatedly.

Now that I'm nearing 70, and had a couple of heart attacks, I just don't even try anymore.
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Thank you my fellow 1st AD Cold War veteran friend LTC David Stark for responding and making us aware that you were just 'two pints short of five gallons when the ban against us donating blood was instated.'
I am thankful that you survived two heart attacks. My father had a heart transplant in 1992 and I went though Mitral Valve Repair surgery at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in March 2003 with significant complications. They called my pastor in to pray for me after I leaked 15 units of blood.
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TSgt Larry Cohen
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I was turned away also! This is sad
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LTC Stephen F. I will never donate to Red Cross again.
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COL Jon Thompson
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The Red Cross has lifted that ban. I was in the same boat and donated last month for the first time in decades. Call the Red Cross to verify. They had to lift the ban. But you should be good if Germany was your duty station
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LTC Joe Anderson
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Oops I was in the Balkans in the nineties and then again in 2008-2009. Not the eighties. However the Red Cross refused to take my blood for years because I had been in the Balkans. Prior to my tours of the Balkans I was a regular blood donor every 6 months to a year. I think they may have recently lifted that ban. However I have Chronic Lymphatic Leukemia. So the Red Cross no longer wants my blood (again) for this reason.
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Thank you my friend LTC Joe Anderson for making us aware that the Red Cross refused to take your blood for years because you had been in the Balkans.
Yes they did lift the ban for most of Europe as far as people being stationed there else dependents.
I am sad to learn that you have been diagnosed with Chronic Lymphatic Leukemia.
I smoked cigarettes from 1972 until 1987. I smoked quite a bit and the fact that the Army encouraged smoking - 4 packs in C-rations, smoke breaks during training etc. - helped me continue my habit.

Did you smoke much? If not, are there other factors which effected your Chronic Lymphatic Leukemia disease diagnosis?
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MSG Richard C Finley
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i heard of this do to Mad Cow Disease and i was in Germany in 1980 - 1983. but not long ago i asked my Dr about it, he said that it had been lifted and i could.
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Thank you MSG Richard C Finley for making us aware that you were stationed in West Germany from1980 to 1983. I am glad that your doctor told you that you would be able to donate blood.


Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
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MSG Richard C Finley
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well every year since i served an Aorta Aneurism i have had to get a at scan done. and as i have COPD that damn mask wearing doesn't help breathing at all, i told both of my Dr's no i was not going to have the scan done this year. because just walking from the parking lot, but then walking through the hospital with a mask on i'd be huffing and puffing. and i haven't gave blood in years. and when i was in the hospital i received several pints of blood. my wife had a fistula for dialysis in here arm. it got infected and the dialysis center attempted to clean it. but later that night she started bleeding. i had to rush her to the hospital ER. they had to give her three pints of blood, and they had to bag her yeah it was that close. and she did pass several months later which we assumed was do to A fib. when i gave blood one time at Ft Lewis they were looking for something in everyone's blood. i am O+ they found it in my blood and rushed me in to give my blood. i did find out it was for a baby, weather it served or not i don't know.
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LTC Stephen F.
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How many other veterans and service members are not permitted to donate blood? Why?

FYI my friends - it appears the rules for donating blood have changed. Only those living or being stationed in the British Isles, of France or Ireland for 5 or more years are restricted based on living or being stationed in Europe.

Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
You spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 5 years or more from January 1, 1980, through December 31, 2001, in France or Ireland.
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LTC Stephen F.
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How many other veterans and service members are not permitted to donate blood? Why?
FYI my friends - it appears the rules for donating blood have changed. Only those living or being stationed in the British Isles, of France or Ireland for 5 or more years are restricted based on living or being stationed in Europe.

Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
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MSgt Dwyane Watson
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I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath for 6 years from 1999 to 2005 and I cannot donate blood. The mad cow disease was a big thing during this time frame and I was told that I could have mad cow disease and wouldn't know it. SO not donating for me unfortunately.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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Hold on a minute. A person can be HIV Positive and can still donate blood? I bet that the Red Cross never tells anyone that gets that blood, "Hey the guy that donated this was HIV positive but we don't think it is a big deal." I would not.
I think that the country and indeed the entire world is run by complete MORONS.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Thank you my friend and brother SSG Roger Ayscue for weighing in. Being HIV positive does not mean they have been stricken with AIDS.
The test is not perfect.
1. As far as I know HIV positive means a number of the western blotting test has a number of elements - if a certain amount respond actively you have been exposed to the virus but not necessarily infected or capable of infecting others.
2. I am currently stricken with chronic lymphocytic leukemia [lcc]. I am stage zero. The blood tests [like the western blot] for LCC have many markers. If two of the markers rise above certain limits, I am considered to have an active CLL. CLL can last for 10 to 20 years or longer without developing the cancer.
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