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I try to give back to the people of this nation as I am able. I used to donate blood regularly; but because I was stationed in Germany in the early 1980's when some beef in military mess halls came from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] I can no longer donate blood because we have become infected with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease." I learned recently that people with HIV can now donate blood - per conversation with Red Cross POC, efforts were funded to come up with a way that HIV positive people can donate blood. That saddened me and made me mad. Bovine spongiform can only be tested through autopsy right now. Many of those of us who served in Europe during the latter part of the cold war have not been able to donate blood. I hope that NIH will make in a priority and obtain funding to develop ways to test for bovine spongiform in people through a blood test.
[Note: I updated the question from "veterans" to "Veterans and service members" on June 6, 2015 - 71st anniversary of D Day - Operation Overlord]

[update May 18, 2018] As of 2017, worldwide 230 people, roughly 180 in the UK have been infected with vCJD and 4 people in the USA have been infected.

Mad Cow and VCJD are nervous system diseases which are based on diseased prions [not the car]. Diseased prions binds to proteins and converts them to prions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxojz6grwcU

Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood



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SSgt Carl B.
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Mad Cow stationed in USAFE
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Thank you for responding SSgt Carl B. and letting us know that you also are forbidden from donating blood based on being stationed in USAFE during the bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow] epidemic in Great Britain.
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CPL Daniel Schwinge
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I was in Augsburg FRG from Jan '88 to July '91. I was there 2 years after Chernobyl and during Mad Cow. I have been told by the Red Cross I am no longer eligible to donate because of that. I do have a tattoo, but I got that in early '82.
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Thank you for responding CPL Daniel Schwinge and making us aware that you are forbidden from donating blood because you were stationed in Germany during the outbreak in the late 1980's of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) [Mad Cow].
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FYI CPL Daniel Schwinge
Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more] has been lifted from the prohibition for donating blood lists.

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
You spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 5 years or more from January 1, 1980, through December 31, 2001, in France or Ireland.
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SGT Gary Vaught
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I was turned down coming back from Vietnam,
Can’t remember exactly what they said except can’t for life
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Thank you for responding SGT Gary Vaught and making us aware that after you redeployed from South Vietnam you were forbidden for donating blood> it is very sad tat whatever you may have been exposed to based on your records, forbids you form donating blood.
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I had surgery with grafts so ASBP put me on a year deferment. If I was in the States, Red Cross would still allow me to donate since it was my own skin grafted but ASBP doesn’t make that distinction. I’m not aware that HIV+ can donate but I do know Red Cross was working to ease the restrictions on men who had sex with men since it is based on outdated stigmas & information (ASBP has not changed as far as I am aware).
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Thank you, for responding MSgt (Join to see) and making us aware that the Armed Services Blood Program will not allow to to donate blood products because you had a skin graft even thought it was your own skin that was grafted from. That seems like a Catch 22.
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I can't donate blood because I bleed Army green.
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Hopefully you will not shed blood in a military or surgical operation SPC Steven Garcia. If you did the onlookers might be shocked to see green blood :-)
I remember coming to after complications in surgery in 2008 and noticing my catheter bag was purple - I learned by bladder had been "nicked' during the surgery and blood was mixed with urine :-)
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PVT Mark Zehner
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I have o negative and was told no? I have tattoos but no diseases!
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Thank you for responding PVT Mark Zehner and letting us know that you have type O blood and were told you could not donate blood products.
Did the fact that you have tattoos preclude you from donating blood?
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LTC Stephen F. they didn't give a reason and months later I asked my Doctor and she said tattoos wouldn't have been a factor
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SSG Brian G.
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See I was never told Mad Cow. I was in Europe when Saddam lost his marbles and as part of VII Corps we deployed to Southwest Asia. I got out years later and gave blood for like two rounds or so with Red Cross and then suddenly I was denied because I had been stationed there and something to do with malaria or some such garbage. I used to love to give, did it every 3 months like clockwork. Now?
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Thank you for responding SSG Brian G. and letting us know that you were able to donate blood and the told you could no longer donate blood - probably because you were in deployed to southwest Asia. Based on the Red Cross information "Wait 3 years after completing treatment for malaria."

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Not actually having Malaria but it was rather the shots we received to ward it off. The last time I checked with the Red Cross which was in 2014, this was a lifetime ban on giving blood due to the vaccines. I'll check back later this year to see if that has been amended... thanks.
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Was also told that we were slso served Horse meat in mess halls in late 70's and mad cow in 80's that I am not elegable to donate even plasma. Had been donating periodacly till hurricane Katrina and at that time was informed that I was not allowed due to service in European theater
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Thank you for responding, my friend SSG (Join to see) and letting us know you may have been served Horse meat in mess halls in late 1970's and bovine spongiform [Mad Cow] infected beef in the 1980s in Army mess halls in Federal Republic of Germany. I too was able to donate blood even after being stationed in Germany until 1996 when after "March 20, 1996 a statement from the Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee (SEAC) of the United Kingdom indicated concern that before November 1989, when inclusion of certain cow and sheep by-products in human food was banned, the BSE agent may have been transmitted to people through contaminated food products." It wasn't long after that that the USA red cross stopped accepting blood product donating from those stationed in western Europe who were supplied with British beef.
Thanks to 1SG (Join to see) for alerting me that "there is progress in the development of methods to detect misfolded proteins in the bloodstream" I did research and found the following at an NIH site.
As this article informs us there has been progress in control groups testing of "developed blood tests to detect prion." The article states that there are plans to "validate their methods using larger samples sizes."
Hopefully this process will be successful to detect whether or not we have been infected by Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, Variant (vCJD); "Mad Cow Disease."


"Prion diseases are a group of rare, fatal brain diseases that affect animals and humans. They are caused by normally harmless proteins that become abnormal and form clumps in the brain. One form, called variant CJD (vCJD), is associated with eating meat from cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as “mad cow” disease.

People may have vCJD for years before symptoms—such as depression, hallucinations, moving difficulties, and dementia—appear. These “silent” carriers have small amounts of prions in their bloodstreams and can transmit the disease to others via blood transfusions. The only current method to diagnose vCJD is to perform a biopsy or a postmortem analysis of brain tissue. Thus, a noninvasive test to detect prions in blood is a medical priority.

Two research groups recently developed blood tests to detect prions. The results appeared in a pair of papers published on December 21, 2016, in Science Translational Medicine. One of the groups, led by Dr. Claudio Soto of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), and National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS).

Prions are scarce in the bloodstream and difficult to measure. Both teams developed methods to amplify the prions in blood samples using a technique called protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). PMCA relies on the characteristic nature of prions to cause certain healthy proteins to clump abnormally and convert into prions.

Soto’s group first combined healthy proteins with known concentrations of infectious vCJD prions. They intermittently agitated these mixtures with sound waves. The agitation helped break the prions into smaller chunks. This increased the number of prions that could then convert healthy proteins into prions. Using this method, the scientists were able to detect more than a billion-fold dilution of prions using an anti-prion antibody.

The scientists next tested whether the technique could be used to detect prions in blood samples from 14 people with vCJD and 153 controls. The controls included healthy people as well as people with different neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, including sporadic CJD, the most common form of CJD. The assay flagged all the vCJD samples correctly.

In the second paper, a French research group described a similar approach testing a blinded panel of blood samples. That team identified 18 vCJD patients in a group of 256 samples.

“Our findings, which need to be confirmed in further studies, suggest that our method of detection could be useful for the noninvasive diagnosis of this disease in pre-symptomatic individuals,” Soto says. Early diagnosis would allow potential therapies to be tested before substantial brain damage occurred. This technique would also allow blood contaminated with prions to be detected and removed from the blood supply.

Both teams are now working to validate their methods using larger samples sizes.
―by Anita Ramanathan
nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/new-method-accurately-detects-prions-blood

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So I have been trying to donate blood on and off in my military career. You are not allowed to donate blood for one year after a deployment so for six total years (3 Deployed, 3 one past deployment.) Also most recently I tried to donate blood because I have been back for over 24 months from a deployment, I was told because I spent time in Germany as a kid in the '80s plus as an adult I am never authorized to donate blood again. I does seem to depend on who you try to donate through but I have not been able to donate blood since 2006 for one reason or another.
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Thank you my friend CW2 (Join to see) for responding and making us aware that you are not allowed to donate blood ostensibly because you lived in Germany as a dependent in the 1980s.
Based on the American Red Cross from June 30, 2021
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical/eligibility-reference-material.html
It seems that being stationed or being a dependent in Germany, Turkey and other duty stations in Europe [outside of the Great Britain, Ireland and France [for 5 years or more]

At this time, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:
You are not eligible to donate if
From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in any country in the United Kingdom (UK),
Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any of the countries listed below:
France Ireland Channel Islands England Falkland Islands Gibraltar Isle of Man Northern Ireland Scotland Wales
You spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 5 years or more from January 1, 1980, through December 31, 2001, in France or Ireland.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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After i returned from Viet Nam in 1969 I wasn't allowed to donate blood. There were so many types of illness and less than sanitary conditions in much of that country at that time. I never even had a cold the entire year there though but with all the shots I got before going I doubt there was any disease that wasn't covered !
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Thanks for letting us know SMSgt Lawrence McCarter. I am glad to know that despite being exposed to many infection diseases you did not come back from Vietnam with any serious ailments. Praise the LORD.
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